Girsan Hi Power

I have a MCP35 that I bought to replace the Browning HP I stupidly sold about 30 years ago. It feels and functions EXACTLY like I remember the Browning feeling. I wish I still had the Browning, but I'm very content with the Girsan. It is occasionally a cocked and locked carry with no issues at all.
These are my non-Browning/FN Hi Powers.
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The upper one is an FEG I had completely rebuilt by BH Spring Solutions. Believe it or not, I'd put 108,000 rounds through that gun before it was rebuilt by Mark Allen at BHSS. He also worked over my Girsan, doing a complete spring replacement and fitting a new extractor and a magazine eject assist spring. This thing THROWS the mags out. It also has one of BHSS's Elite Match barrels, and was worth every penny.
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This old FEG is my baby and I carry it regularly, cocked and locked. Since its rebuild, I've not experienced a single malfunction of any kind whatsoever. I'm convinced that it would chamber and fire a watermelon if I could just get one to fit inside the magazine!
 
Does anyone here have experience with Girsan and/or Tisas pistols? Would you trust them as a self-defense option? I'm thinking of getting a Girsan MC PI35 LW pistol for concealed carry. From the reviews that I have seen, these are very reliable pistols. Some reports have stated that the finish might not be as nice but fit and function are good. Please share your thoughts.
Do not feel too bad about selling your "original High Power" as now they have become sought after collectors items and sell at higher and higher prices, too valuable to consider carrying them for defense.

My Father carried the High Power in WWII in preference to the 1911 and the first High Power I ever held was his and later the first one I owned was a 1969 "T" Series tha apple of my eye and dreams. I still have it and 5 others but time moved on and the High Power was just too big and heavy to carry so I reluctantly bought a butt ugly Glock and had it modified with a manual safety as is was way lighter and way smaller to carry and held more rounds. The Glock will feed anything while my High Powers are picky on which expanding ammo they will feed reliable but the High Power was originally designed to feed fmj bullets not expanding ones.

The "original" High Power deserves to be in ones collection or a clone to be bought and shot at the range but for carrying time has moved on whether we like it or not.
 
Does anyone here have experience with Girsan and/or Tisas pistols? Would you trust them as a self-defense option? I'm thinking of getting a Girsan MC PI35 LW pistol for concealed carry. From the reviews that I have seen, these are very reliable pistols. Some reports have stated that the finish might not be as nice but fit and function are good. Please share your thoughts.
My beloved has a Girsan MC P35 that she bought a few months ago. I have an Italian CZ-75 clone that I won in a Friends of the NRA raffle a couple of years ago. Neither have been fired much, in favor or other firearms (we love our Kimbers and S&W's). I was recently handling both, just for comparison and both handle very well. Smooth triggers, though the Girsan pull is quite a bit heavier. Reasonably accurate out-of-the-box. I've fired her Girsan and if I have any complaint at all, it's the magazine interlock. But that's a feature, not a flaw. We're going to the range tomorrow evening just to put a couple hundred rounds through them for "break-in".
 
Guys,
I have an older Browning HP now...foolishly sold one many years ago..! Anyway, is there a uTube video on how to remove the magazine disconnector to improve the trigger pull?
(A custom shop in NJ worked on my previous HP.)
Thanks for any comments.!
Wes
 
The upper one is an FEG I had completely rebuilt by BH Spring Solutions. Believe it or not, I'd put 108,000 rounds through that gun before it was rebuilt by Mark Allen at BHSS.
Holy round count! That blows a gaping hole in the rumors of the BHP being a bit of a fragile pistol. I do have to ask, how often do you replace the recoil spring and how much +P and/or +P+ ammo did you use in those 108,000 rounds?
 
About a year ago I grabbed a Tisas "Tanker' in 9 x 19 for a range hack to run cheap 9 ball when I couldn't get to the loading bench... I had troubles from the very beginning. The gun's feeding was intermittant. The extractor needed to be replaced with a US GI part that gave correct tension. Then the stocks split at the screw hole.... I took the gun to my 1911 specialist, Gus Norcross of Angus Arms in Wiscassett, Maine... he is the GI whisperer and he sorted the extractor out and while he was at it, I upgraded the sights to NOVAKS. The stocks are glued but I'm going to replace them with rubber. The jury is still out on this one but honestly, it's no tackdriver.
 
I've got a Tisas Tanker in 45, had it for about 6mo now, with 2700 rds downrange, mostly win brown box. Not one issue. Also have 350rds of 200gr jhp, again, not one issue, with the exception of red alumageips, it bone stock.
 
I'm still looking for an original FN P35 with tangent sights (I can afford). I bought one of the first 200 Stainless Tisas HP clones to arrive in the USA. I'm using the Speigel designed Uncle Mikes rubber grips - everything else is stock - less mag safeties.
I also bought a used Mauser marketed FEG model SA-80 HP clone, & rebuilt it myself using FN parts + a new stainless barrel.
I even came up with 2 "Northern Ireland" type 20 round factory magazines. Both Pistols shoot alike, feed everything, & are outstanding.
 

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Guys,
I have an older Browning HP now...foolishly sold one many years ago..! Anyway, is there a uTube video on how to remove the magazine disconnector to improve the trigger pull?
(A custom shop in NJ worked on my previous HP.)
Thanks for any comments.!
Wes
There are YouTube videos on removing the magazine safety. I did it on my Girsan M35. The trigger pin was the hardest part of it. Drives out right to left IIRC. Using a starter (short) punch to get it started really helps.
 
Holy round count! That blows a gaping hole in the rumors of the BHP being a bit of a fragile pistol. I do have to ask, how often do you replace the recoil spring and how much +P and/or +P+ ammo did you use in those 108,000 rounds?
I NEVER fired +P ammo. I've always been opposed to the idea of "+P". If you have a gun that needs so much extra power that the pressure curves approach dangerous levels -- or even just pressure levels that accelerate wear and tear on the gun, then what you really need is a bigger, more powerful gun. Duhh . . .
I have to be honest: a good deal of the ammo I shot was actually pretty mild. They were mostly handloads that consisted of a 124 gr. cast round nose lead bullet and 4.0 grains of HP-38 (WW-231). According to my loading logs, I put about 40,000 rounds through that particular gun. But the balance of 65,000 rounds were factory equivalent handloads with 115 and 124 gr. jacketed bullets loaded to "normal" velocities.

When shooting the wimpy handloads, I employed a 15 pound recoil spring. And I was always careful to replace it with a standard 17 pound spring before putting "carry loads" back into the gun. I change my recoil springs religiously every 5,000 rounds.

These days I've given up the wimpy lead bulleted loads. They were used for training my wife and several of her friends, and I needed loads with recoil that wouldn't intimidate and scare them off.

The Hi Power is no more or less fragile than any other reputable, proven handgun. And I'm of the opinion that the Hi Power was a big improvement over the vaunted 1911. While most people think of it as John M. Browning's last design, the majority of the Hi Power design should actually be credited to Diodonné Saive, a respected gun designer in his own right. (Saive went on to design the FN/FAL, known as "The Right Arm of Europe" widely considered to be one of the finest battle rifle designs ever conceived.)
 
I have a SAR K2 C, a Turkish double-action .45 ACP. It's big and heavy and excellent - okay, it's not a Browning HP replica, but it's a good gun just the same. Somebody wrote that Turkish firearms manufacturers are up to date and I would have to agree.

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I was going to look at the Turkish Inglis P35 at a local shop until I saw they had a Tisas 1911 Stakeout in 9mm and .38 Super.
The guns sport a beautiful satin nickel finish that I can find no flaws in.
I’ve wanted a .38 Super since an old friend of mine talked the caliber up to me probably 40+ years ago.
To tell you the truth it’s too pretty to shoot.😊
 
I NEVER fired +P ammo. I've always been opposed to the idea of "+P". If you have a gun that needs so much extra power that the pressure curves approach dangerous levels -- or even just pressure levels that accelerate wear and tear on the gun, then what you really need is a bigger, more powerful gun. Duhh . . .
I have to be honest: a good deal of the ammo I shot was actually pretty mild. They were mostly handloads that consisted of a 124 gr. cast round nose lead bullet and 4.0 grains of HP-38 (WW-231). According to my loading logs, I put about 40,000 rounds through that particular gun. But the balance of 65,000 rounds were factory equivalent handloads with 115 and 124 gr. jacketed bullets loaded to "normal" velocities.

When shooting the wimpy handloads, I employed a 15 pound recoil spring. And I was always careful to replace it with a standard 17 pound spring before putting "carry loads" back into the gun. I change my recoil springs religiously every 5,000 rounds.

These days I've given up the wimpy lead bulleted loads. They were used for training my wife and several of her friends, and I needed loads with recoil that wouldn't intimidate and scare them off.

The Hi Power is no more or less fragile than any other reputable, proven handgun. And I'm of the opinion that the Hi Power was a big improvement over the vaunted 1911. While most people think of it as John M. Browning's last design, the majority of the Hi Power design should actually be credited to Diodonné Saive, a respected gun designer in his own right. (Saive went on to design the FN/FAL, known as "The Right Arm of Europe" widely considered to be one of the finest battle rifle designs ever conceived.)
Excellent! I think we are of similar minds, except the part about the HP being a big improvement over the 1911. I find them to be similar only in being locked breach, magazine fed, single action semi-automatic pistols. Beyond that, they are very dissimilar designs, both having their advantages and disadvantages. Thank you for sharing your experiences with the HP, the ammo you feed yours, and your spring selection and replacement cycles. Proper ammo selection and proper maintenance make the difference.
 
I have a Girsan & a Inglis. I have several Mk II & III BHP's also. Both the Girsan & the Inglis are excellent pistols & excellent values IMO. They are as accurate, well constructed & dependable as my FN's. The Inglis came with two magazines that are made in Italy, I assume these are MecGar's, as they are identical to the MecGar mag's I own.
( I like the Inglis so much, that when I saw mention in this thread, that PSA has the nickled version on sale, I just purchased one of those to add to the group).
 
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Excellent! I think we are of similar minds, except the part about the HP being a big improvement over the 1911. I find them to be similar only in being locked breach, magazine fed, single action semi-automatic pistols. Beyond that, they are very dissimilar designs, both having their advantages and disadvantages. Thank you for sharing your experiences with the HP, the ammo you feed yours, and your spring selection and replacement cycles. Proper ammo selection and proper maintenance make the difference.
I don't mind that you disagree with my assertion that the Hi Power is superior to the 1911. It's just my opinion. And I'm sure the majority of the gun shooting public would agree with you. I've been gunsmithing off and on for almost 50 years, and I'm thoroughly acquainted with the foibles of both designs. That damn magazine disconnector was the biggest flaw the HP had, but you have to remember, it was the French Army that originally tasked FN to build a new service pistol for them, and the mag disconnect was a requirement. Naturally, the French ultimately rejected the pistol (as any thinking man would've realized they would at the time). I think they just wanted to see what Browning would come up with so they could copy any of the more salient features they liked -- and they did.

The mag disconnector is the biggest factor in giving most Hi Powers their crappy trigger pulls. Yanking that thing out, and voila! The trigger pull is instantly lighter! All that needs to be done thereafter is polish the daylights out of all the gun's contact surfaces. (I don't believe anyone but a skilled rocket surgeon should ever go to polishing or otherwise tinkering with the sear engagement. That's begging for trouble.

And as far as designs are concerned, FN continued "improving" the design over the years, although they were mostly invisible to the eye. The biggest two were redesigning the extractor to an external version, and making the pistol "drop safe."
 
A long time buddy of mine who is a Hi-Power collector has 2 Girsan's and loves them. He has had no issues of any type and uses one for concealed carry. I had 3 Hi-powers , a WW 2 with holster made in 1943, a T series and a C series and been downsizing and recently sold all three.
 
I have a SAR K2 C, a Turkish double-action .45 ACP. It's big and heavy and excellent - okay, it's not a Browning HP replica, but it's a good gun just the same. Somebody wrote that Turkish firearms manufacturers are up to date and I would have to agree.

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I also have a Sarsilmaz .45 like this, 13 shot, right? works great but heavy. They are more of a beefed up CZ-75.
 

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