s&wbest
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If someone puts their hand on the top of your automatic and you pull the trigger and it clicks and does not fire do you have to rerack the gun to get the trigger reset to fire again?
Gun misfire in a struggle
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I was wondering that, too, when I saw that Off.
Wilson's had failed to fire during his struggle.
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Wilson's had failed to fire during his struggle.
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I believe it depends on the gun. Some can fire double action, meaning the trigger will cock and release the hammer when pulled. Others are single action and need the slide to be racked to set the hammer before pulling the trigger. Some fire both ways.
Finally, some fire double action only. Pocket Guns are often "DAO" as a safety feature. They have long and heavy trigger pulls, but I guess are designed to be less likely to discharge accidentally.
If the automatic has a doable action feature, you'd only have to pull the trigger again. I believe many automatics do not fire double action.
Finally, some fire double action only. Pocket Guns are often "DAO" as a safety feature. They have long and heavy trigger pulls, but I guess are designed to be less likely to discharge accidentally.
If the automatic has a doable action feature, you'd only have to pull the trigger again. I believe many automatics do not fire double action.
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I believe his weapon to be a Sig p229 DA/SA. So he could just pull the trigger again, after freeing the slide. As s&wbest says that why I have a revolver
The slide has to be pushed back a small amount for the gun to become unable to fire. Once the slide returns forward all the way, it will then fire if it was ready to be fired before the slide was pushed back.
ironhead7544
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A lot of street guns are pretty worn. I wouldnt count on a disconnector working if the slide is only pushed back a little.
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Ranger514
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A SA/DA like my Sig P229 will fire without having to cock the hammer once the slide returns to battery. Simply pull the trigger through a full cycle. Bang! The same should apply to any DAO handgun with a hammer, such as my Sig P290RS. In a close quarters attack where an assailant got his hands on my firearm and took it out of battery, I'd be concerned that he might have disabled the weapon by causing a double feed blockage or pressed the magazine release button. Those are issues you wouldn't give a thought if you were carrying a revolver.
It's rarely a matter of "letting" so much as failing to prevent, or being ambushed.
NCW Ray
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Just merely placing their hand on the slide will not prevent the pistol from firing the first round, but it will interrupt the proper cycling of the slide and in turn most likely cause a malfunction on the next round.
If they push the slide back ever so slightly out of battery when putting their hand on the slide it will cause the weapon to not fire, once it goes back into battery it should fire with a trigger press.
That being said, there are technique's for close quarter self defense that teach you not to "present" your weapon to your attacker.
Depends on the type of gun Wilson was carrying
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Aticus
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Hey guys, would you do me a favor. Get one of your semi-auto handguns. Remove the magazine and empty the chamber. Gun empty? Now look again> Put the magazine back and cycle the action to get the gun ready to fire make sure the chamber is empty when you do. Now press the muzzle of the gun against your body until you can't fire the gun. Go on try it. Takes a lot of force doesn't it. Now do the same thing with your off hand. Takes a lot of force doesn't it. Seems like you'd know when this happened and could take steps to over come the problem. I don't know and can't instruct 'cause I'm not an instructor, don't play one on TV and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. I have tried what I just described and it hurt when I shoved the gun into my fat belly and my ribs.
I also tend to agree with a previous post about not letting a trashy get that close (hopefully).
Just my thoughts on this thread which may give some pause for thought.
I also tend to agree with a previous post about not letting a trashy get that close (hopefully).
Just my thoughts on this thread which may give some pause for thought.
From what I read the hammer was blocked on Officer Wilson's Sig
Despite having an exposed hammer, 3rd generation DAO S&W autos lack 2nd strike capability. Their slides have to be retracted far enough to reset their hammers into what amounts to robust half cock notches before they can be fired.
Incidentally, I think a missfire is a failure of the primer to light the powder and when a gun fails to discharge because its primer was never struck it should be described differently. Lets use correct vocabulary even after seeing bad word usage on the tube.
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hangnoose
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WORST IDEA IN A LONG TIME? "Press the muzzle against your body and pull the trigger"? You are kidding right? an
empty/ unloaded mag I'm hoping. It goes VERY MUCH against basic gun safety. Don't even say something like that jokingly, someone just may be dumb enough to try it. Kinda like using a lit match to see if there's any gas left in the can.
WORST IDEA IN A LONG TIME? "Press the muzzle against your body and pull the trigger"? You are kidding right? an
empty/ unloaded mag I'm hoping. It goes VERY MUCH against basic gun safety. Don't even say something like that jokingly, someone just may be dumb enough to try it. Kinda like using a lit match to see if there's any gas left in the can.
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Very bad idea. I put a heavy duty staple gun that didn't have any staples in it on my leg and pulled the trigger. I was wrong. Those staples really hurt.
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