Help with a arisaka carbine

[ky wonder]

Ok I will be the first to admit, I am not into Japanese military guns but I acquired one today

Because it was a mystery to me,

It has a Crest but it's not the Japanese mum.
It has no serial number on the left side of the reciever

It's a short rifle or a carbine , or sporterised

The metal finish is honest, no signs of any grinding away markings, bolt handle is bent down and the two piece stock shows were it was relieved to accept the bent down handle.
The stock has a sling cut like a m1 carbine

Can any one here identify the crest and creciever ring markings

 

[bummer]

Lettering looks like Thai, Burmese or India

 

[Herky Bird]

I believe that’s a Siamese Mauser. A internet search should show more information to look up.

 

[Rudi]

Need much better and detailed pics.

 

[merl67]

From what I see a Arisaka I would like to see a full picture of the rifle though. I have had a few Arisaka carbines and rifles. I have not seenone so marked before interesting rifle.

 

[AJ]

Ask these folks Firearms Of The Rising Sun | Gunboards Forums

 

[jimmyj]

I think that rifle belongs to the dog as he is watching the rifle big time.

 

[DWalt]

The crest makes it Siamese, chambered for 8mm Siamese (Not 8x57). I had one a good many years ago, but it wasn’t cut like yours is. At one time, they were very cheap. Many of the actions were converted to .45-70 sporters. I sold mine to a gunsmith who sort of specialized building such conversions. I had forgotten completely that I once had one. I never fired mine, no ammo. The bore was pretty well rusted up also.

 

[LVSteve]

I think it is a Thai Type 91 carbine. They were built using leftover Arisaka T38 parts. The stock should bear some resemblance to an M1 carbine stock.

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Scroll down in this thread on gunboards and you will see it has the same crest set up as yours.

Siamese Type 91 carbine | Gunboards Forums

 

[Ruger 13]

Not a Siamese! Looks to be in good condition. If an Arisaka you should read some P.O. Ackley to find out how strong the Arisaka action is!

 

[bummer]

Great thing about the forum is you learn something new all the time.

 

[Ivan the Butcher]

A note on 8mmx52R Siamese. You can make ammo from 7.62x54 R Russian (or Mauser A base Basic brass). Expand neck to 8mm (for .323" bullets) and fire form. The size and power of the cartridge wasn't dictated by the 2-legged enemies of Siam, but by the wildlife that would go rampant! (Bears, Tigers, some Apes and Elephants.)

I know nothing about the carbines (never heard of one before!), but my rifle is a painted stock (kind of a Ochre or Tan color). The 2 Palace regiments use rifles with painted stocks, the 3 Field regiments used rifles with oiled stocks. A Complete rifle will have a dust guard (similar to an Arisaka)

Ivan

 

[BrovoEchoSierra]

Yup looks like an 8 x 52R Siamese. Dies are virtually impossible to find, and pricey when you do.
Ivan is spot on, that they can be formed out of Russian brass, and I think my buddy loads his, by neck sizing with a Lee 8mm masuer collett die.

Hard to say on value, but myself and several friends collect old military rifles, and these are seldom seen.
The obscure nature of the round, hurts the value a little, for those who like to shoot their collectible rifles, but if yours is unmolested, it should be worth a decent sum of money to that collector with a hole in his rifle collection.
As a shooter rifle.... There are easier rifles to load for and shoot.

 

[ky wonder]

I think it is a Thai Type 91 carbine. They were built using leftover Arisaka T38 parts. The stock should bear some resemblance to an M1 carbine stock.

Lock, Stock, and History on Tumblr

Scroll down in this thread on gunboards and you will see it has the same crest set up as yours.

Siamese Type 91 carbine | Gunboards Forums

WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINER, it is a siamese 38/91 police /military rifle still chambered in 6.5x50, with the stock cut down and slotted for m1 carbine sling

These were reworked japanese 38s with all Japan markings removed then the siam crest and siam serial markings

This has no import marks, so I am assuming it is probably a gi bringbackourgirls since they were not exported to the us

 

[0849]

I am in no way any sort of expert on this, just starting to develop an interest in "Milsurps" and have been listening to podcasts on the subject of military surplus arms on my iPhone the last few weeks when I have my morning coffee. Some of these podcasts have been going into some detail discussions on the Arisaka and various crests, so might be worth a search and listen to some of the of those podcasts related to Milsurps, just a thought, I am finding some of them very informative, hope this is helpful.