Herters 45/70 ammo? Help

[Drm50]

Have chance to buy 6 boxes Herters 45/70 ammo, seller knows
nothing about ammo. I've no experience with it, wasn't aware
they made it. Can't find online. Question: is it any good? Is it
brass cased? Reloadable? 20 rds per box? Wants $120/6 boxes
is this good price? Have to close deal in A M. Any info would be
appreciated.

 

[rburg]

The guy is asking $20 a box. Its a pretty good price compared to the prices you'll see at gun shops or gun shows. These days they generally ask about twice that.

Herters used to publish a big sporting goods catalog. Kind of like a Sears of hunting and fishing stuff. I've even got a couple of old ones from the 1950s or 1960s. I have no idea if they're still in business. Back in the day, they were a fairly reliable supplier. Not top shelf, but not junk, either.

If you need the ammo, its not bad. You can reload for a little less, but its good ammo.

 

[Drm50]

Herters 45/70 ammo

rburg have you seen this Herter ammo? I'm fimilar with old
Herters, bought components and fishing gear from them. Loading
stuff came from Northern European countries at time. Little I
found out on line was made by S&B and Tula. Cabelas has some,
no 45/70 listed.

 

[amazingflapjack]

The first question I would have is how is it loaded. There are a lot of possibilities. When I first got my 45-70, I bought some ammo that was a "good deal", but it was +P+ 350 gr JHP's and almost knocked me down (6'4"and over 300). Hey, I figured I had shot some pretty stout stuff... uh uh-not even close. Black and blue marks for a week. I would offer less-maybe 10.00 a box, and see where it landed, depending on the load. A 405 grain bullet traveling at 1200 fps will penetrate an American Bison through and through and end to end, if I remember correctly. The stuff I described above came sauntering out of my Cowboy's 26 inch barrel at 2150!!

 

[Drm50]

Herters 45/70 ammo

Thanks for info boys. Going to hit sack, will look at ammo in AM
That last post made me grin. I'm 6' 155lbs. 64 yr. I have three
hunting buddies that go 6-2" to 6'-4" and weigh in at 240-300 lbs. Would you believe they are the ones always crying about
recoil. I have threatened to buy them pink shirts and a box of
Puffs. The smallest guy in the outfit always ended up dragging
the "pig"
lites out. Drm50

 

[rburg]

Ammo used to be cheap. Maybe $5 a box of 20. Those days are long gone. I can even remember my younger days when I could get a burger, fries and a coke and change back for my $1. Back about 1990 a buddy and I went to a gun show. I had some cash in hand.

My then experience with the caliber was in the old Springfield, a trapdoor with custom handloads. They were loaded up to the very minimum for the caliber with a cast bullet. No reason to stress the old smoke pole.

So at the show I bought a Browning B78. It was a sweetie, and I don't remember how much/little I paid. And a little farther along we found a seller dumping his stock of .45/70 ammo. He'd been asking about $4 a box, but told me if I bought it all he'd sell for $3 a box. So my buddy offered to carry the rifle and I carried the ammo. No far along we found another sell who asked how much I'd paid. He said I could have all of his for $2.50 a box. So I bought it, too. Time to go to the car, all I could do to carry 10+ boxes.

I'm pretty sure I've still got it all. I've only shot reloads over the years, except for a few rounds to compare against. I've got a .50 cal can that is pretty darn heavy with loaded rounds.

And I have an affliction. I get the idea in my diseased mind that I need bullets in a certain caliber. So when I see them at a good price, I load up. And then I get home and discover I've already got too many. Only after a few cycles do I get the idea and stop. Its a good round to have and shoot.

I have no idea what I'm going to do with all the ammo. Some day soon maybe I'll die and my sons will get the guns and ammo. Who in their right mind would have that much of a nearly extinct caliber. That's what the sellers 24 years ago called it. More stories....I've got 3 or 4 sets of dies. Don't remember how I got them. Don't care.

 

[dannyabear]

I think some of the Herters branded ammo is steel cased. Look close or bring a magnet before you buy. Herters is just a name, they don't make ammo, kinda like sears sells kenmore

 

[Drm50]

Herters 45/70 false alarm

Drove 30 mi. up river to close ammo deal. Guy shows up with 6
boxes of 7.62x 39 mm. How he translated that into 45/70 is
beyond me. I don't think Herters even loads 45/70, can't find
anywhere on net. Guy came down to $25 , but I was so P.O.ed
after wasting my time , I told him correct place to put his ammo!

 

[Arik]

Herters and Monarch are Cabelas brands (now days) that allows them to sell repackaged ammo. In pistol calibers it's often steel case made by Wolf. PPU just started importing 4570 so I'm guessing that's what is in the box of Herters.

 

[CTG_COLLECTOR]

Herters and Monarch are Cabelas brands (now days) that allows them to sell repackaged ammo. In pistol calibers it's often steel case made by Wolf. PPU just started importing 4570 so I'm guessing that's what is in the box of Herters.

Cabelas has the rights to the Herters brand name, just like Academy Sports has the rights to the Monarch brand name.

Wolf doesn't make ammo. Wolf Performance (Wolf, Wolf Gold, WPA, Military Classic) is an importer of ammo under its own brand name. Manufactures they have contracted with includes Tula Cartridge Works, Barnaul, Ulyanovsk and Prvi Partizan to name the most common.

 

[Ben_hutcherson]

Here's a quick and dirty guide to current Cabelas Herters ammo-

Yellow box=steel case(usually made by Tula-some that I've bought is even headstamped as such)
Gray box=aluminum case
Black box=brass case

All of the pistol caliber brass case stuff I've bought was made by S&B, although I've heard they also use Fiocchi.

I've never bought any brass case Herters rifle ammo, so don't have any idea as to who made it. Looking at the place of manufacture on the box should at least give you a clue.