revolverrandy
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Whats the deal with hi Point?They are like dirt cheap.I'm guess there is a reason why they are so inexpensive?
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BigRich315
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Well, they do say a picture is worth a thousand words...
Also they are not meant to be taken down, even for cleaning, not sure what's behind that. However, that said, I've heard reports that they can at least be accurate. I'm not familiar with durability and would have no idea what to expect. I'm intrigued enough to try one out one of these days. If it goes bang consistantly it can't be too much of a waste.(bang, not BOOM!
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Also they are not meant to be taken down, even for cleaning, not sure what's behind that. However, that said, I've heard reports that they can at least be accurate. I'm not familiar with durability and would have no idea what to expect. I'm intrigued enough to try one out one of these days. If it goes bang consistantly it can't be too much of a waste.(bang, not BOOM!
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i had my hipoint 380 for 5 years broke it down and cleaned it several times put around 2 or 3 thousand rounds thru it. And it was used who knows what it went thru, 0nly had to replace the fireing pin when i first got it only sold it cause a gy wanted to give twice what i paid for it and i couldnt find any 380 ammo around here.
One reason they are so inexpensive is that they are blow-back operated rather than of a locked-breech design. That makes them a lot cheaper to produce but that design introduces its own set of problems. Here is a link to a generally favorable article that appeared in Shooting Times:
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BigRich315
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Reports like yours is exactly why I want one. They might be ugly as sin, but they are a tool, looks don't matter as long as it gets the job done. I do appreciate a beautiful gun though.
Or, for those true firearm afficianados, think gag gift.
P.S. - I discovered that the big reason behind the low price is that the parts are all stamped, with virtually no additional machining. Basically it uses the KISS principle (Keep It Simple Stupid). It seems to work.
Whats the deal with hi Point?They are like dirt cheap.I'm guess there is a reason why they are so inexpensive?
Junk; ya get what ya pay for.
BigRich315
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How about the Sigma? That doesn't always ring true.
I've got one of their 9mm carbines. It's butt-ugly and rock-solid. Great truck gun and range toy. Put a cheap red dot on it and it'll drop plates as fast as I can pull the trigger at pretty much any reasonable distance. Feeds anything, but mostly gets crappy Wolf steel-cased FMJ.
If I could find one in the shops I'd probably get one of their pistols for a truck beater.
Oh - don't forget their lifetime no-questions warranty. They've replaced a magazine for me already, and there are anecdotes of people sending in a box of parts for "repair" and getting their gun back in perfect working order.
If I could find one in the shops I'd probably get one of their pistols for a truck beater.
Oh - don't forget their lifetime no-questions warranty. They've replaced a magazine for me already, and there are anecdotes of people sending in a box of parts for "repair" and getting their gun back in perfect working order.
I certainly wouldn't put a Sigma in the same category as a Hi-Point,
i would put a Hi-Point in the same class as a Raven, Lorcin, etc.
cmort666
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There's a reason why there have been very few (and almost no successful) blowback designs chambered for cartridges of 9x19mm and greater power.
The only thing holding the action closed when it fires is the inertia of the slide, and to a lesser extent the strength of the recoil spring. This invariably leads to slides that weigh more than other entire firearms and recoil springs like truck springs.
If my choice was between a Hi Point and a used S&W .38 Special M&P, I'd pick the revolver every time.
The only thing holding the action closed when it fires is the inertia of the slide, and to a lesser extent the strength of the recoil spring. This invariably leads to slides that weigh more than other entire firearms and recoil springs like truck springs.
If my choice was between a Hi Point and a used S&W .38 Special M&P, I'd pick the revolver every time.
BigRich315
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That's getting downright cruel
, but pretty fitting I suppose. It looks like Hi-Point leads that crowd though.
clint_lnl
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well, I picked up one yesterday at the gun show. Hi-Point 9mm C9. new for $139.00 It looks like it fell from the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down..LOL just kidding. big and heavy but it goes bang everytime so far ( 50 rounds) . but everyone is right , it does not compare to my 686-3 or my sigma sw40ve. but everything I have read its better than a raven or a jennings..
foolproofoak
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I've got one of the carbines and i love it. It's fun to shoot and really accurate. I put a cheap bushnell scope on it and i get about 2" groups at 50-75 yards. it's ugly and it doesn't feel like it is quality made, but i'm not getting rid of it anytime soon.
writerinmo
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I have an older model of the C9, the compensated model, that has over 2500 rounds through it. I did just replace the firing pin and spring assembly for a newer design that is supposed to deal with some light primer strikes that some report having, I have had a few but only with WWB target ammo. I replaced the ejector key and spring as well, I wasn't having any problems with it but the gal at Hi Point said she would send them to me as they had added a coil to the spring and redesigned the ejector key as well. Well... I'm not ever going to complain about free parts! Three days, had them in hand. The guns are easy to work on, and teardown isnt that difficult, there is a roll pin that you have to drive out that goes through the retainer, other than that little quirk its simple.
Fixed barrel with the blowback design, very accurate shooters. I have the C9 Comp and picked up the .40 JCP about six months ago, have about 300 rounds of mixed Federal Champion, Blazer Brass and WWB through it at the range, and fired 50 Magtech Guardian Golds through it without a hiccup.
What problems people seem to have with them are usually with the mags... quality control on them seems to be lacking, as the spacing on the ears vary widely and will cause a double-feed if too wide or jam the nose of the round into the feed ramp if too narrow. I had a mag that worked perfectly, so set all the specs to the same and they worked great.
Not a good choice for a carry weapon, even if they are proven reliable, as I don't like that the striker is at full tension with a round chambered. Failure of the sear would cause a discharge, and even with the drop safety I dont like only having one mechanical link that is preventing disharge. No cases that I could find of this happening, but worn parts could lead to it down the road if people don't inspect them periodically.
Bang for the buck, you can't beat them. If you want a car or truck gun, then by all means. If someone breaks into your vehicle and steals an "under $200.00" pistol, that isnt a lot of tears to be shed, not like it was a Kimber or some other $1000.00 gun.
Lifetime warranty whether you are the first owner or the fifth, usually a week turnaround till you have it back, and a free magazine for your trouble... what's not to like? Sure they are heavy, the .40 weighs in at 37 ounces and feels like you could knock someone out with it... heck, I KNOW you could! Its nice having something that I can just go out and shoot the heck out of things with for so little cash out of my pocket.
Fixed barrel with the blowback design, very accurate shooters. I have the C9 Comp and picked up the .40 JCP about six months ago, have about 300 rounds of mixed Federal Champion, Blazer Brass and WWB through it at the range, and fired 50 Magtech Guardian Golds through it without a hiccup.
What problems people seem to have with them are usually with the mags... quality control on them seems to be lacking, as the spacing on the ears vary widely and will cause a double-feed if too wide or jam the nose of the round into the feed ramp if too narrow. I had a mag that worked perfectly, so set all the specs to the same and they worked great.
Not a good choice for a carry weapon, even if they are proven reliable, as I don't like that the striker is at full tension with a round chambered. Failure of the sear would cause a discharge, and even with the drop safety I dont like only having one mechanical link that is preventing disharge. No cases that I could find of this happening, but worn parts could lead to it down the road if people don't inspect them periodically.
Bang for the buck, you can't beat them. If you want a car or truck gun, then by all means. If someone breaks into your vehicle and steals an "under $200.00" pistol, that isnt a lot of tears to be shed, not like it was a Kimber or some other $1000.00 gun.
Lifetime warranty whether you are the first owner or the fifth, usually a week turnaround till you have it back, and a free magazine for your trouble... what's not to like? Sure they are heavy, the .40 weighs in at 37 ounces and feels like you could knock someone out with it... heck, I KNOW you could! Its nice having something that I can just go out and shoot the heck out of things with for so little cash out of my pocket.
Crazy K38
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well I wouldn't carry one ever but for the price it could be cheap enough for a range toy or a cheap gun to train someone with, but if it is your first gun and it's all you can afford and there are no used better quality guns, the rule stands anything is better than nothing
Vulcan Bob
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This sorta reminds me of the old Saturday night special debate. Sure everyone would like to own the best roscoe out there, but poor folk have a right to own a handgun too. Im glad they are available for those who just cannot afford something nicer.
I'd agree. They're not terrible guns. I probably wouldn't buy one because of weight and size issues, but a new Hi-Point can be had for less than $200. If you don't have the money for a new one, you can get a used one dirt cheap. Like Sigma syndrome, most of the Hi-Point naysayers have never shot one. The Hi-points I've shot at the range are accurate enough and functioned without problem. I bought a Sigma because it was cheap and what I could afford at the time. As any Glock owner (and some M&P owners) will tell you, the Sigma is a piece of junk. Hmmmm.....seems to work fine for me....nearly as well as my S&W M639.
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