stoneman
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Anybody have a link for one?
Holster cant chart
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sipowicz
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Sheesh...give me a break...I just gave you the BUG chart.
Yes, and it was very informative Mr. sipowicz
I think I saw such a chart at one time. I'm going to order a few holsters from Sideguard soon and he will make them in 0-15 degree cant. I have a few straight drop holsters as well as 15 deg. holsters which I know is FBI cant(not for the same gun). I was looking for something to help make up my mind. Sorry I will stop babbling now and just order what I think I want, somewhere between 5-10 degrees
I think I saw such a chart at one time. I'm going to order a few holsters from Sideguard soon and he will make them in 0-15 degree cant. I have a few straight drop holsters as well as 15 deg. holsters which I know is FBI cant(not for the same gun). I was looking for something to help make up my mind. Sorry I will stop babbling now and just order what I think I want, somewhere between 5-10 degrees
sipowicz
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Why don't you discuss it with your holstermaker?...I talked to Matt Del Fatti when I was looking for my P7 holster....since that gun is so butt heavy, it needed a bit more cant than normal...
flop-shank
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Even with longer barreled revolvers I prefer a well canted holster. Since autos are short in the barrel and the butt is the hard part to hide, my thinking is to tend toward a decent amount of cant, so long as it doesn't compromise the draw.
bill_in_TX
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I just participated in an intersting discussion of cant over on the SigForum. Matt del Fatti actually posted in so I took a look at his website. He has an interesting meythod posted there to figure out just what cant you really want (using a manilla-style folder and weapon) and is also one of only a handful I've found that will actually build to the degree of cant you want (if he ever takes oders again).Originally posted by stoneman:
Yes, and it was very informative Mr. sipowicz
I think I saw such a chart at one time. I'm going to order a few holsters from Sideguard soon and he will make them in 0-15 degree cant. I have a few straight drop holsters as well as 15 deg. holsters which I know is FBI cant(not for the same gun). I was looking for something to help make up my mind. Sorry I will stop babbling now and just order what I think I want, somewhere between 5-10 degrees
p.s. del Fatti put down the myth of the 15 degree FBI cant, as an internet rumor thing. He has an old FBI example that goes 40 degree cant and says the current, actual FBI cants are about 32 degrees.
Spotteddog
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Issues surrounding cant angle also include physical mobility. Those who've suffered wounds or injury sometimes do not have the flexibility in shoulder and elbow joints to use whatever is a "standard" angle. I've just ordered a Side Guard (zero cant) myself for that very reason. No cant on a "snap on" type design.
sipowicz
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I can't remember the exact degree I went with with my ISP but here's a pic...it looks to be at least 15 and might be 20....I regret getting a straight drop for my SP101 since the cant really helps keep the butt from sticking out...
wheelgun1958
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Hey Sip, you can exhale now!
Spotteddog
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I can see your point Sip. The S/G has more gun below the belt line. Besides, I'm incapable of standing up as straight as you do any longer! Now resembling Quasi-modo more every day has it's advantages when trying to hide a pistol. Are the lemon squeezer Sig's all metal framed?
38-44HD45
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That's an H&K P7M8, Spot. And yes, they are all steel frames.
Spotteddog
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Thanks 38/44!
I was wondering if having that much of the guns weight up that high, could exacerbate Sips issue with it? Sure is a nice holster though!
(EDIT) Ooops! Sorry! In retro-retrospect I've now read your issue was a straight drop with the S/R, not the 15-20 with the P-7 in the pictured rig?
I promise, I'll start the refresher course with the flash cards tomorrow!
I was wondering if having that much of the guns weight up that high, could exacerbate Sips issue with it? Sure is a nice holster though!
(EDIT) Ooops! Sorry! In retro-retrospect I've now read your issue was a straight drop with the S/R, not the 15-20 with the P-7 in the pictured rig?
I promise, I'll start the refresher course with the flash cards tomorrow!
LoboGunLeather
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For strong-side holsters, the cant serves primarily to reduce overall profile of the handgun, assisting in concealability.
One thing to keep in mind is that the greater degree of the cant, the greater the angle one must make with the wrist to grasp the weapon. And the wrist becomes less strong the further it is rotated, meaning that the weapon can be dislodged from the hand more easily. This is a potentially dangerous problem in the event one is engaged in a physical struggle while attempting to draw the handgun (an entirely plausible scenario).
The strongest grip is achieved with a straight-drop (zero cant) holster, and rear rake holsters provide an excellent grip as well. The trade-off is in concealability (less cant results in greater exposure of the grip frame).
Every holster design involves some compromise of the primary elements of comfort, concealability, weapon retention, and accessibility. There is no "perfect" solution for every user, only a decision as to how much of one element one wishes to give up in order to receive more of another element.
On my regular production holsters I use a cant of about 10 to 12 degrees. On custom work I build to the cant specified by the customer, as long as it can be done within reason.
I also recommend selecting outer garments suitable to the method of carry. During my law enforcement career I routinely took new suit coats and sport coats into a tailor and had panels of light canvas sewn into the linings, which minimizes "printing", and carried something of moderate weight (like speedloaders) in the lower pocket of the strong-side, which allow the coat tail to be swept aside without bunching up when reaching for the holster.
For civilian concealed carry, never underestimate the element of comfort. An uncomfortable rig will end up not being worn, and the weapon you DO NOT HAVE WITH YOU is not much good to you when you need it.
One thing to keep in mind is that the greater degree of the cant, the greater the angle one must make with the wrist to grasp the weapon. And the wrist becomes less strong the further it is rotated, meaning that the weapon can be dislodged from the hand more easily. This is a potentially dangerous problem in the event one is engaged in a physical struggle while attempting to draw the handgun (an entirely plausible scenario).
The strongest grip is achieved with a straight-drop (zero cant) holster, and rear rake holsters provide an excellent grip as well. The trade-off is in concealability (less cant results in greater exposure of the grip frame).
Every holster design involves some compromise of the primary elements of comfort, concealability, weapon retention, and accessibility. There is no "perfect" solution for every user, only a decision as to how much of one element one wishes to give up in order to receive more of another element.
On my regular production holsters I use a cant of about 10 to 12 degrees. On custom work I build to the cant specified by the customer, as long as it can be done within reason.
I also recommend selecting outer garments suitable to the method of carry. During my law enforcement career I routinely took new suit coats and sport coats into a tailor and had panels of light canvas sewn into the linings, which minimizes "printing", and carried something of moderate weight (like speedloaders) in the lower pocket of the strong-side, which allow the coat tail to be swept aside without bunching up when reaching for the holster.
For civilian concealed carry, never underestimate the element of comfort. An uncomfortable rig will end up not being worn, and the weapon you DO NOT HAVE WITH YOU is not much good to you when you need it.
