Home defense -- what does it mean to you?

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I break it down into two situations:

Being burgled at night

or,

actually mounting some kind of defense when "the zombies come over the hill". Might seem funny, but I am pretty much convinced we are going to have some form of civil anarchy in the not too distant future. It might be from a race war, or an actual civil war from the severe ideological split in our country today -- or it might result from some catastrophic calamity from some kind of extreme national emergency - like a nuclear terrorist attack on one of our cities. We -- the general population - are not really thinking ahead and planning properly. People don't realize what kind of frenzy will result and that the supermarket shelves will go empty virtually overnight if something like what I've described happens. We are mostly an urban population today and do not grow our own food or raise livestock to live on.

Anyway - in my first example, my "home defense" will simply be my M&P FS9 with 17+1 rounds. I fully expect to survive that situation.

However, in my second example, I will have to rely on my full arsenal of weapons, and even then, I am pretty sure that I will eventually get taken out, as that emergency will go on for quite some time.

Food for thought.
 
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However, in my second example, I will have to rely on my full arsenal of weapons, and even then, I am pretty sure that I will eventually get taken out, as that emergency will go on for quite some time.

Food for thought.

I'd say you are right, and there is just not much to think about. You either change and make preparations now, or you may be out of luck. Most people don't want to go back to gardening every night after work, cutting firewood for heat, and living in places where they can raise and slaughter livestock. I know I don't. Probably most of us with my sentiments are going to have a really tough time, with or without weapons.

(Edit) I got distracted. :) Anyway, getting back to your question, home defense to me means keeping everyone alive, and preferably unharmed, until the cavalry gets here and can take control of the situation. I am a mediocre pistol shot at best and don't depend on handguns for that purpose.
 
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You must depend on your neighbors and community. You will need to form a well regulated militia to protect yourselves. These guys who think they can just board themselves up inside their homes with an AR-15 and a years supply of Twinkies and MREs don't stand a chance.
 
The bump in the night situation will be handled by my fnx9 (17+1) and my dog.

The first wave will be held off by a m1 garand with 550 rounds of ammo and a fnx9 with 1000 rounds of ammo. But my first order of business is getting the hell out of dodge.
 
Call me a sentimental old fool, but barring major natural calamity or a massive nuclear strike I see little likelihood of a complete breakdown of society. I have more faith in the general run of the American people than that. I'm an optimist about people except when they are organized formally into large groups.

One thing that occurs to me, however, is that I need to lay in a good supply of distilled water. I can live a while without food (though I have a goodly amount on hand), but not water. If the New Madrid Fault lets go, there may be a lot of destruction here, and water supply could be disrupted.
 
You must depend on your neighbors and community. You will need to form a well regulated militia to protect yourselves. These guys who think they can just board themselves up inside their homes with an AR-15 and a years supply of Twinkies and MREs don't stand a chance.

I guess I'm @*%!)@( because the two neighbors close to me are in worse shape then me, one in her late 80"s the other sicker then me.

To HD means to me protect me and mine and those willing to move in with us. Before we lost all our firearms and ammo we had enough to keep tings going for quite awhile. We have a clear FOV and kill zone about 500 ft almost all around and if necessary I have no problem burning a free KZ all around the place. Like you said I know there has to be losers and I will do my best to no become one but anything can happen. I obey the law most of the time and would do nothing to change this but I will protect like I stated.
 
Eventualy it will happen but probley not in my lifetime. I am 72. Look at the rest of the world. Actualy you need only look next door. Mexico. Drug czars have more power than the politicans and police. Its all fostered by corruption.
Our country is headed that direction. When I lived in palmdale about 40 years ago a couple of robbers were being chased, spun out and stacked up their vehicle. They strong armed their way in some old couples house across the street. So it does happen. Until it gets like world war two europe, I belive a handgun and shotgun should handle things for 99.9 % of the rest of us.
 
Anyway, getting back to your question, home defense to me means keeping everyone alive, and preferably unharmed, until the cavalry gets here and can take control of the situation. I am a mediocre pistol shot at best and don't depend on handguns for that purpose.

I hate to say it, but in such a situation the cavalry will most likely not be coming to anyone's rescue and in fact may be more of a threat to individual citizens than the zombies.
 
Home defense

I look at it from a practical perspective of "what could happen"

Situations that happened to me in the last month

1) two guys (very rough looking) driving around my neighborhood looking for a dog. I heard them talking to my neighbor next door. I was outside washing my truck. I stepped inside to get my pistol. Just in case. I walked back outside as they were coming down the drive. We talked, they left. Maybe I'm just paranoid.

2) yesterday two people at the end of my drive way arguing. Looked like a boyfriend/girlfriend spat. A car was sitting watching them. I'm on my riding mower with my pistol on my hip. Been carrying while doing yard work. Again. Maybe I'm paranoid.

I definitely felt better with protection.
 
I guess I'm kinda in a different situation than most. I live in a rural, tight-knit community. Most people here have large gardens and a few animals, i.e. chickens, etc.

When somebody is "down on their luck," so to speak, folks here tend to rally together and help out with produce, eggs, labor, or whatever is needed.

On the other hand, most folks here also have firearms and know how to use them.

Like shouldazagged, I don't see a real breakdown of society occurring...especially in our community. I could be wrong, but it's pretty hard to picture a major riot here in town where all we've got is a post office and a barbershop.

In the words of Hank, Jr., "Country folks can survive.":)
 
I break it down into two situations:

Being burgled at night

or,

actually mounting some kind of defense when "the zombies come over the hill". Might seem funny, but I am pretty much convinced we are going to have some form of civil anarchy in the not too distant future. It might be from a race war, or an actual civil war from the severe ideological split in our country today -- or it might result from some catastrophic calamity from some kind of extreme national emergency - like a nuclear terrorist attack on one of our cities. We -- the general population - are not really thinking ahead and planning properly. People don't realize what kind of frenzy will result and that the supermarket shelves will go empty virtually overnight if something like what I've described happens. We are mostly an urban population today and do not grow our own food or raise livestock to live on.



Food for thought.

A more likely and probably easier caused disaster would be from EMP, check out One Second After if you want to have further problems falling asleep at night...

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Home Defense--On a typical day, the inside of my home. In a post-hurricane apocalyptic scenario, every square inch of my property, including my backup generator and its fuel supply. I am NOT going without my coffee!
 
Home Defense to me means, decent dead bolts on the front and back doors, a security system with a cel dialer in case the land line is cut (it happened once!), a good and loud dog that will bark at anything it her yard! And finally a shotgun in a nearby corner and a pistol or revolver on my hip or pocket. Plus a cel phone in my pocket too.
As for the fall of western civilization, we're going to have to pull together! And I do believe there are enough level headed folks out there who'll tow the line. Dale
 
A more likely and probably easier caused disaster would be from EMP, check out One Second After if you want to have further problems falling asleep at night...

Amazon.com: One Second After (9780765356864): William R. Forstchen, William D. Sanders, Newt Gingrich: Books

Yes, an EMP would certainly cause tremendous havoc. We are too much tied to modern communications. We'd be totally lost in such a situation.

If you let your mind wander, you can literally scare yourself to death. Take for instance the potential threat from Yellowstone (a super volcano) blowing its top. Happens about every 650,000 years and we supposedly are about 15,000 years late. If it blows (as it will someday), the world will die. The whole USA will be covered in something like one foot of volcanic ash, totally destroying our crops for years.
 
Dead bolts, alarm system, several SW M1917s with full moons of JHPs stratigically placed backed up by several 12gauges.
 
Bump in the night=My newfypoo (google it) and my Mossberg JIC.
Civil Unrest=Springfield XDsc, Ruger Sp101, Mossber JIC, Sig Sauer 522 pistol (with single point sling and red dot/ironsights) and 1,000 rounds for each. Plus food storage, solar oven, and my church will prolly throw something together too.
 
If I can just me a dragon, I'm set. :D


Those are Class III aren't they? :D

The "bump in the night" scenario is covered pretty well.

I don't know that I expect a complete break down, but I DO think I need to be better prepared for an interruption. That can be brought on by just bad weather. We had an ice storm here some years ago, big chunks of the city without power for a week or more in freezing temperatures. That's the kind of thing where you need your food stores, some alternative heating, maybe water, basic natural disaster preparedness.

In my view that is accompanied by a stepped up ability to defend oneself. Not that we'll see Mad Max, but we may see a big spike in crime or looting that significantly raises the risk of physical harm as people become more brazen and think law enforcement cannot cope. We have seen that happen more often.

I do think the one that may make a mess of things, not to "here come the zombies" level but pretty messed up, is an EMP type even that shuts down our technology. I dont expect broad riots and plundering an hour after it happens, but what would people do without phones and communications and cars etc. for an extended period?

FWIW I talk to people from all walks of life and those who don't think in such terms would be surprised how many people are concerned about the need to "prep" at some level. I talk to lots of people who want to get a gun and learn how to use it, are thinking about having more food on hand or getting a crank radio, that sort of thing. From white collar professionals to factory workers to farmers, people in this country have an increasingly uneasy feeling about "the system" and this country's future.
 
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;)Hmm, should the razorwire, claymores & fougasse be installed inside or outside of the moat?? And how far away from the house should the chainlink fencing be put??Questions, questions:D

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