Honorably retired....

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I seem to be developing a perverse taste for former law enforcement agency guns. Pictured above is my latest of these, a 2" Model 10-5 c.1965 that is marked "MOHAVE S O 412" on the left side of the topstrap. Mohave County takes up the entirety of the northwest corner of Arizona, with Kingman being the county seat. I'd suspect this was a detective's or other plainclothes deputy sheriff's piece. I'd actually seen another just like this in a gun/pawn shop some time back. This example had been languishing in a different gun/pawn shop for over a year until they accepted my offer earlier this week.

One advantage to collecting handguns like this is that you can really lower the bar for condition without affecting the appeal too much. They generally have "character" so to speak. You might think that peace officers would take good care of their sidearms, even if they were just agency issue, but in fact, besides the inevitable holster wear and stock dings, You will see some of these displaying signs of neglect and very hard use, maybe even crossing over into abuse. For instance, there's really no excuse for rust on a law enforcement gun, but you see it all too often. Mine here has a few obvious corrosion caused spots on the sideplate. The lamentable tendency of many peace officers to never wipe down their weapons led to a good many agencies favoring stainless models when they became available, or even nickeled guns (the Detroit Police Department notably being one of these). You also on occasion see evidence of a gun having been dropped or suffering other impact damage.

The big switchover to selfloading pistols in the 1970's and 80's shoved a lot of suddenly obsolescent revolvers, mostly S&W's, onto the open market. On occasion, these might have even been new and unissued, just superceded, but generally as I have said, they will have been carried (a lot) and used (some, primarily in periodic qualifying at the range). Even issued guns may not always be entirely original. Department armorers had no scruples about substituting parts that were more practical, or making repairs that were servicable above all else. Cops themselves also modified guns to suit their preferences, even if such was unauthorized. In particular, it's not at all unusual to find stocks that are mismatched to the gun, or are of the aftermarket oversized rubber variety (in either case, of course, the originals are lost to history). I remember about 25 years ago a large group of 4" Model 10's that were unmarked but purported to be Boston P.D. surplus of which many had been fitted with genuine S&W target stocks, but that's certainly not the norm. So in the case of my Mohave S.O. revolver, I was pleased to find that the stocks were matching, albeit very dull and dry. I have since lightly oiled them for the sake of preserving them, not to mention also restoring their appearance.

Enough of my blather. What do you have in a former law enforcement revolver to share with the rest of us?
 
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Many cops (and in big cities maybe none) are not "into" guns. The sidearm is just a tool... to be neglected and abused. Ever seen a police car? They don't baby them, either.

I have a couple former police S&Ws.


Utah Highway Patrol (factory inscribed).

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A German PD (roughly stamped).

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One was carried by a Los Angeles cop and the other by an officer in NYC.

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Went to a police supply shop in Texas but unstamped so no idea who used it.

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Purchased as surplus from the Carbon Co. Utah S.O. They carried 4" M19s so no idea how this wound up in their inventory.

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Dealer sold a lot of 58s that were said to be police trade-ins but no info on who or where.

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Stamped for the Corpus Christie PD.

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Shipped to the Campus PD, Univ. of Louisiana.

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Federal agent's gun.

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A pre-war Heavy Duty used by the Ft. Smith, AR PD.

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This near mint 10-9, manufactured in 1988, is not very old but is special to me. Notice the unusual rearward positioning of the lanyard lug.

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The cylinder has been turned, but it is unlikely it has been fired, and was clearly never carried in a holster. It is marked as property of the Royal Hong Kong Police, one of quite a few which were released to a U.S. importer and sold here a few years ago. They turned up at guns shows for $150 - $180...quite a bargain even then.

The British formally passed the last final control of Hong Kong to the mainland Chinese in July 1997, not an especially good thing in my opinion, or that of most Chinese and foreigners living in Hong Kong. But history does not stand still, and the Chinese are highly motivated to keep H.K. the vital, bustling trade and finance center it had become during the British glory days. Hong Kong political freedoms are another issue, not yet fully shaken down.

I lived and worked in the Far East during the Vietnam War era. Shopping and vacationing trips to H.K. were a great escape valve, coming from places which were less fun. H.K. was and is such a sophisticated, cosmopolitan place, and even during the cold war era there was a great Chinese presence, as the supposedly ideologically pure communists were thriving in the thick of the banking and trade world, and loving it. These were the beginnings of the modern Chinese capitalism we see today.

Hong Kong had virtually no crime, because the RHKP ran a tight ship. These guns mostly sat in an arms vault, clean and well preserved. But I always remember the steel-eyed uniformed Chinese who escorted bank pickups and deliveries. They had holstered Smiths, but carried loaded, cocked, and levelled Sterling SMGs as they hauled cash bags to and from businesses and banks. (Still got some of those big silver Hong Kong dollar coins.)

No funny business was allowed. Ever. Ah, to have such security here. But HK was still a happy party town at night. You can have it both ways, if leadership functions as leadership.

So my ex-RHKP 10-9 brings back all this nostalgia when I get it out and wipe it down once a year or so. But it won't be fired. I agree with you Goony. It's fun to pick these up now and then, especially when it's something nobody else cares about.

One of these is pictured in Jim Supica's book.
 
This Model 10-6 had Goodyear Pachys on it when I purchased it from a dealer who had obtained a ton of them from the Kansas City, Missouri PD. This one has some cosmetic wear and some scratches, but it locks up tight and doesn't show much use. I substituted the Smith Targets for the Pachys - those rubber duckies just offend my sense of esthetics.

John

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P.S. 6/24/11: I'm informed by a member here who is a retired KCPD officer that the markings on my gun (seen below) indicate that it was a confiscated firearm. He's asked me if I want to find out more about it, and he would try to get the details. Of course I said yes!

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Honorably retired? Perhaps that 2" 10-5 is entitled to a pension, and I'm sure it served honorably, but it certainly seems capable of a second career, if not more. Between folks who have NIB safe queens on the one hand, and honorably retired police guns on the other, I'm surprised the ammo companies are still in business. I got a 2" Model 15 brought in by the widow of a man who carried it with a Barami, and I've put a bit of holster wear on it, but it still serves, and shoots.

If you can't shoot it, it ain't a gun (and I believe that that is MA case law, FWIW).
 
Here are my two, both carried and shot extensively and both still going strong after a little bit of TLC.

Model 686 no-dash, I believe the CSP was the California State Police, but not certain on that. It was wearing an ill-fitting set of Pachmayr grips when I got it, so I had to give it some decent stocks to wear:

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Michigan State Police model 10-6, manufactured in 1969. A very accurate revolver and lots of fun to shoot.

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Honorably retired? Perhaps that 2" 10-5 is entitled to a pension, and I'm sure it served honorably, but it certainly seems capable of a second career, if not more. Between folks who have NIB safe queens on the one hand, and honorably retired police guns on the other, I'm surprised the ammo companies are still in business. I got a 2" Model 15 brought in by the widow of a man who carried it with a Barami, and I've put a bit of holster wear on it, but it still serves, and shoots.

If you can't shoot it, it ain't a gun (and I believe that that is MA case law, FWIW).

Didn't mean to imply that it's retired as far as I'm concerned, just that its service in an official capacity has ended. I fully intend to give it some exercise.
 
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Model 686 no-dash, I believe the CSP was the California State Police, but not certain on that. It was wearing an ill-fitting set of Pachmayr grips when I got it, so I had to give it some decent stocks to wear:

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The California State Police was a relatively small organization whose function was to protect state facilities and elected officials. It was subsumed into the California Highway Patrol, the main state police agency, back in 1996.

I think your 686 could more likely be attributed to the Colorado State Patrol or the Connecticut State Police.
 
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My service weapons saw hard use but were not abused. Our agency had weekly inspections (sgts. inspected officers @ roll call) to ensure that department weapons were maintained, and they were looked at again 2 X year at the range. Shortcomings had to be explained.

I retired in '97 w/my Glock 23. It still shoots great and is inspected at the range during LEOSA retiree qualificaqtion.

Law enforcement guns that have been badly neglected tell me that management has taken a lax attitude in that particular agency.
 
When I attended Smith & Wesson armorer's school in 1979 I roomed with a deputy from Mohave County, AZ. After he returned home he sent me this patch and belt buckle form his agency.
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My Dad retired from the FBI in 1984. He carried this Model 10-5 he bought in '66 in New York City until he retired. Damage to the stocks and scratches on the cylinder were the results of a fight over this gun with a bank robber in Chattanooga TN....
I carry it now sometimes on duty...
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This gun was shipped to Texas in 1981 but ended up as a duty gun in Vermont. Model 57 no dash.

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This was an old NYPD gun that was a very early heavy barrel. Trying to buy this one back from the guy I sold it to.

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While not a Smith, this Colt Official Police had a neat story. It was made in 1956 and when the patrolman retired he had this miniature inlay of his badge put into the right grip. This one went to another collector.

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I currently am not a collector. However, I think honorably retired police revolvers are something that I could get into. I'm seeing a lot of good examples so far.
 
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New York State Police issued Model 28-2. Marked NYSP on the frame under the cylinder window.
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This M&P was made in 1956, one of the last M&P before they rolled over to the numbering system and they became "the Model 10":D

It's marked for East Cleveland PD, apparently this was a tough town back then and still is. It's been carried hard but still works fine.

I have other PD and security trade in S&W's, Colts and Rugers. Most are unmarked, many have been treated roughly.

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A 581 with a set of N-frame Targets that have been altered to fit, and crudely cut for speedloaders. Maybe the LEO had a M28 before he was issued the 581 and fitted the stocks to the 581? It is true, some of these guns have had strange things done to them. Many LEO's aren't "gun people" but a lot that are sometimes had "action jobs" of varying skill levels done to their guns.
 
This M&P was made in 1956, one of the last M&P before they rolled over to the numbering system and they became "the Model 10":D

It's marked for East Cleveland PD, apparently this was a tough town back then and still is. It's been carried hard but still works fine.

What immediately strikes me about this gun is the round butt. I wonder if the ECPD ordered them all up that way for some reason, or, if the smaller grip signifies it was issued to a woman. If the latter is the case, in that era the lady who carried it was a trailblazer.

Obviously not the original stocks. Are those the ones with which it came to you, though? That would validate the remarks I made at the opening of this thread about how the stocks can be mismatched on former law enforcement guns.
 
The California State Police was a relatively small organization whose function was to protect state facilities and elected officials. It was subsumed into the California Highway Patrol, the main state police agency, back in 1996.

I think your 686 could more likely be attributed to the Colorado State Patrol or the Connecticut State Police.

Hey Goony,
I thought it was Colorado when I first got it, but everything I have found indicates that they issued Colts (Pythons IIRC). California SP and CHP are the only state agencies (that start with "C") that I have definitely found to issue 686s in the time frame that this one was manufactured (I think 1982, but can't find my notes on it at the moment), but it is certainly possible that it could be from another state, such as Connecticut. The location and font of the Police markings matches that of the California Hwy Patrol, so that's another reason I lean towards California, but without a letter I won't know for sure and I don't feel like springing for a letter. Any concrete info would be appreciated just to satisfy my curiosity. :cool:
 
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