szuppo
US Veteran
I do and with the hammer cocked too! 
How many carry a round in the chamber?
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Maybe this should be a new thread, I think this thread (how many carry a round in the chamber) should go away as some are taking it to personal.
To answer your question I usually carry to the mailbox and my mailbox is within reach of the door mounted on the house. The reason I carry to the mailbox is my pistol, with one in the chamber is worn even in the house. If I was in the basement and someone broke in my pistol alongside my bed upstairs would not do me much good even with one in the chamber. So I would have to say that my pistol is with me most all the time. We have waited for cc in Wisconsin for a long time and it just makes sence to have your weapon on you. Maybe the thrill will wear off but I really feel naked without my fully loaded locked and ready to roll pistol with me. I do however take it off when I go to bed as even the most comfortable cc holster is tough to sleep with. Now lets all take a deep breath and let it out slowly.
Cracker57
To answer your question I usually carry to the mailbox and my mailbox is within reach of the door mounted on the house. The reason I carry to the mailbox is my pistol, with one in the chamber is worn even in the house. If I was in the basement and someone broke in my pistol alongside my bed upstairs would not do me much good even with one in the chamber. So I would have to say that my pistol is with me most all the time. We have waited for cc in Wisconsin for a long time and it just makes sence to have your weapon on you. Maybe the thrill will wear off but I really feel naked without my fully loaded locked and ready to roll pistol with me. I do however take it off when I go to bed as even the most comfortable cc holster is tough to sleep with. Now lets all take a deep breath and let it out slowly.
Cracker57
vstromrider
Member
whew. taking a deep breath. ok. now heading to Tucson with my fully loaded and unchambered 357c. hope Il will be ok. lol ok ill stop..
DEFCON727
Member
Cracker57,
Wow is right? Things are that bad in Wisconsin Cracker? If they are where you live then you need to get with your local law enforcement. If you are just trying to be funny then I won't be catching your act.
If carrying as gun to you is fashionable, a thrill and cool then you need to grow up. It appears that one can assume your experience is not based on any real life experiences but solely on what your read and hear. I know of no Academy nor my 10 month Academy process where it was ever taught carrying a gun is cool. I had some great Journeymen who trained me and many were Combat and LEO seasoned Vets. Never once was carrying a gun as cool or fashionable taught. I have many non-LEO pals that carry and think totally to the contrary. They go about their daily life quietly but know they have the ability to protect themselves and their loved ones.
One of my collateral duties was to chair the Hiring Boards for the USBP at my Sector HQ. With your attitude you would have never been recommended for the Academy let alone if you could pass the scenarios questions. Do you think it is some game out there to have the ability to use deadly force strapped to your body? If it is to you then shame on you.
Try going on a ride along, but that may be tough though if any LEO worth their salt wants an immature person with them. The next thing I would recommend is seeing a Urologist, if you think having gun carry rights is an extension of your wiener.
I don't give a damn who feels they need to come to your aid after I post this. I do care though about the thousands of my brothers and sisters out there in harms way that deal in reality daily and I am sick and tired of "wanna be's" and their SHTF scenarios. I am very thankful that I came out of my situations Ok and some of my pals too but some didn't. Spend some time talking to our Combat Vets and LEOs in your area. You may just have a new mindset….God I hope.
Wow is right? Things are that bad in Wisconsin Cracker? If they are where you live then you need to get with your local law enforcement. If you are just trying to be funny then I won't be catching your act.
If carrying as gun to you is fashionable, a thrill and cool then you need to grow up. It appears that one can assume your experience is not based on any real life experiences but solely on what your read and hear. I know of no Academy nor my 10 month Academy process where it was ever taught carrying a gun is cool. I had some great Journeymen who trained me and many were Combat and LEO seasoned Vets. Never once was carrying a gun as cool or fashionable taught. I have many non-LEO pals that carry and think totally to the contrary. They go about their daily life quietly but know they have the ability to protect themselves and their loved ones.
One of my collateral duties was to chair the Hiring Boards for the USBP at my Sector HQ. With your attitude you would have never been recommended for the Academy let alone if you could pass the scenarios questions. Do you think it is some game out there to have the ability to use deadly force strapped to your body? If it is to you then shame on you.
Try going on a ride along, but that may be tough though if any LEO worth their salt wants an immature person with them. The next thing I would recommend is seeing a Urologist, if you think having gun carry rights is an extension of your wiener.
I don't give a damn who feels they need to come to your aid after I post this. I do care though about the thousands of my brothers and sisters out there in harms way that deal in reality daily and I am sick and tired of "wanna be's" and their SHTF scenarios. I am very thankful that I came out of my situations Ok and some of my pals too but some didn't. Spend some time talking to our Combat Vets and LEOs in your area. You may just have a new mindset….God I hope.
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cshoff
Member
I'm not sure how you got "cool factor" out of his post. Cracker57 said:
He's not claiming that it makes him feel "cool" to have his gun on his person while he is in his home, rather, he is stating that it makes him feel more prepared to deal with a possible situation that could arise. Perhaps the choice of the word, "thrill", could have been different, but it certainly didn't imply that he carries his gun because he thinks it makes him cool or fashionable.
I know MANY people who are armed essentially from the time they get up in the morning, until the time they go to bed at night; myself included 99% of the time. It has nothing to do with being "cool" or "fashionable". It's about preparedness. It's about operating with a certain defensive mindset - all the time.
Like it or not, in many cases, you don't get the choose the time and place of a lethal force encounter. Rather, your adversary does. I would no more leave my EDC stashed away in some other room while I am in my home, than I would tie my hands behind my back when I spend time in my living room and kitchen. Why limit your options just because you happen to be in your home at the time?
As to the OP, I carry with one in the chamber with every gun I carry - semi-autos and revolvers. It's not realistic to think that you will have the time, the physical ability, or presence of mind to chamber a round during a violent, dynamic, lethal force encounter.
DEFCON727
Member
CSHOFF,
If you are going to post then at least have some history on what you are basing your postings about. Basic investigatory skills. A lot can be learned about people's mindset and background by merely reading their posts and looking at their profile…provided they are truthful with their profile. I question those who are overly obsessed with this SHTF mentality it fuels these anti-gunners and that affects us all.
I will never post of how I go about my daily life in the protection angle. That's my business and I have nothing to prove. I have those memories and real-life experiences to aid me in what I think needs to be done. I have had some great discussions with Combat Vets and former and active LEOs. We talked about how we handled situations and never played the one-upmanship BS because we are professionals. On one occasion a person who was neither both, jumped in and argued I would have done this and that. We all said Ok and he left. There is plenty of opportunity for all of those people to join the military or law enforcement and become part of it. Some won't or can't but have plenty to say and that's what irritates me.
If some feel they have to strap on a gun from the time they rise till the time they sleep and if that makes them feel safer then go for it. If some need to display that "I'm packing" then go for it. If they do that out in public and it gets reported then don't expect the LEOs to be very friendly. LEOs have better things to do then to respond to situations caused by irresponsible gun owners. Train with it and be ready to use it. It's not supposed to be a personality enhancement but to be used in the gravest extreme.
If you are going to respond back to people you know are or were operating in danger on a daily basis keep your tactical opinion for the inexperienced you are training in your own programs. It's not insulting but it is as laughable as asking your Doctor if he or she knows what a stethoscope is.
If you are going to post then at least have some history on what you are basing your postings about. Basic investigatory skills. A lot can be learned about people's mindset and background by merely reading their posts and looking at their profile…provided they are truthful with their profile. I question those who are overly obsessed with this SHTF mentality it fuels these anti-gunners and that affects us all.
I will never post of how I go about my daily life in the protection angle. That's my business and I have nothing to prove. I have those memories and real-life experiences to aid me in what I think needs to be done. I have had some great discussions with Combat Vets and former and active LEOs. We talked about how we handled situations and never played the one-upmanship BS because we are professionals. On one occasion a person who was neither both, jumped in and argued I would have done this and that. We all said Ok and he left. There is plenty of opportunity for all of those people to join the military or law enforcement and become part of it. Some won't or can't but have plenty to say and that's what irritates me.
If some feel they have to strap on a gun from the time they rise till the time they sleep and if that makes them feel safer then go for it. If some need to display that "I'm packing" then go for it. If they do that out in public and it gets reported then don't expect the LEOs to be very friendly. LEOs have better things to do then to respond to situations caused by irresponsible gun owners. Train with it and be ready to use it. It's not supposed to be a personality enhancement but to be used in the gravest extreme.
If you are going to respond back to people you know are or were operating in danger on a daily basis keep your tactical opinion for the inexperienced you are training in your own programs. It's not insulting but it is as laughable as asking your Doctor if he or she knows what a stethoscope is.
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Wow needs to be replaced by whoooo
Devcon727
Maybe you need a little more practice reading between the line of peoples post and their profile brother.
Show me where I once said anything about being cool or fashinable because I choose to be ready for the worst case senario or as you stated when the shtf. As far as taking a long ride with a LEO I am going to the ex-sherrifs cabin on Sat. to do some pistol drills. Oh yah one of his old deputys who teachs pistol handling to the officers may be coming with us. Funny thing is they invited me because they like me.
This is why I said this thread needs to go away, people are to sensitive about this issue. I come to sites like this to make friends not enemies, It makes me wonder how someone like you avoids confrontation on the street. I carry concealed and that means no one knows so where you get the "I'm packing" and it makes me feel cool and fashionable from must be between someone elses line or profile. Take a chill pill buddy. This will be my last post in this thread, so carry how you want, when you want and be happy we live in the good ol USA and we both can have our own way.
Cracker over and OUT
Devcon727
Maybe you need a little more practice reading between the line of peoples post and their profile brother.
Show me where I once said anything about being cool or fashinable because I choose to be ready for the worst case senario or as you stated when the shtf. As far as taking a long ride with a LEO I am going to the ex-sherrifs cabin on Sat. to do some pistol drills. Oh yah one of his old deputys who teachs pistol handling to the officers may be coming with us. Funny thing is they invited me because they like me.
This is why I said this thread needs to go away, people are to sensitive about this issue. I come to sites like this to make friends not enemies, It makes me wonder how someone like you avoids confrontation on the street. I carry concealed and that means no one knows so where you get the "I'm packing" and it makes me feel cool and fashionable from must be between someone elses line or profile. Take a chill pill buddy. This will be my last post in this thread, so carry how you want, when you want and be happy we live in the good ol USA and we both can have our own way.
Cracker over and OUT
DEFCON727
Member
"It makes me wonder how someone like you avoids confrontation on the street."
Young man when you earn that right you can wonder.
Young man when you earn that right you can wonder.
crracer_712
Member
That's a pretty good show on the western channel
Deadeye Dick
Member
What the heck happened to this thread. It went from a simple question of how many here carry with one in the chamber to a pi**ing match where one poster has even called into question the size of another's manhood. Judging from some of the posts I wounder if some individuals here are too immature to be allowed to carry a gun.
crracer_712
Member
Didn't you know that the size of a person's gun is in direct proportion to their self worth??
Choosing Your Carry Gun: A Gun Expert's Guide - YouTube
Choosing Your Carry Gun: A Gun Expert's Guide - YouTube
Milanfire2
Member
crracer 712 Did you notice the vidieo about 5 or 6 down from top on the right side? It was about Israel pistrol draw. They called it condition 3 and said most of the Israels people carried that way and were taught to do so. Condition 3 to them is gun loaded ,chamber empty.They also did mention alot of their guns were of older style. I find it interesting that a people under their constent threat dont have a round chambered.Dont know if this is true or not but it was interesting.Thanks for the youtube post.
crracer_712
Member
I guess I missed that video, sounds interesting and will have to watch. And you're right, I'd think a place like that would be the place to carry loaded at all times. But then I carry that way all the time here and the worst I've had to deal with is a dog and cat fight from time to time. Don't think I haven't thought about it.....
4330Inroute
Member
cshoff
Member
I don't know about the poster that you originally called out in your post, but I am not personally, nor do I know many people on a personal level, who are "overly obsessed with this SHTF mentality". You might try to take your own advise and have some history on what you are basing your postings about, before you go around essentially accusing people of being paranoid and of "fueling anti-gunners".
Clearly, being in the military or being a former LEO are the only two things that could possibly qualify someone to have a valid opinion on self protection, right?
See. We agree on something.
For someone who claims to have BTDT, it's kind of strange how you needed to be reminded of a perfectly valid reason for why a person, especially a person who just became eligible to legally conceal a gun on his person in his state, might feel he/she needs to be armed at all times. Just because you have been doing something a certain way for a certain period of time, doesn't mean that another person is doing something simply for the sake of being "cool" or "fashionable", as you implied in your post.
DEFCON727
Member
CSHOFF,
As Moe said to Shemp in the telephone booth scene, "now look.. we are getting nowhere fast" I'll sign off with this.
At no point was anyone's manhood called into question nor the BTDT attitude displayed. The BTDT doesn't exist!!… you learn from start to finish. Those interpretations and judgments where made due to the obvious lack of reading comprehension by several and the failure by some to cite the proper posts that prompted my responses. The initial posted question was 'do you carry one in the chamber", which degraded from there by posters who have these unrealistic mindsets and insecurities of the constant imminent threat of armed encounters and that they must have their gun with them every second of every day without the experience to know all the legal consequences that goes along with it if used improperly. It's not a can of Raid. I am assuming you are a fine Instructor and teach proper realistic firearms preparedness because your reputation is on the line. Try asking a simple question to your students..."Why do you want to carry a gun.", sit back and listen to their responses. That can be your starting point on how each one needs to be trained in the brain and gun and how to carry it properly and safely, then they can decide what condition of readiness they choose to keep it in. In NY State a civilian must take a basic handgun safety course and I believe a basic continuum of force, 3-4 hours prior to applying for a carry permit. They do NOT have to pass a State Standard Police Firearms Course. Under HR218,(Bush), and S1132,(Obama), retired LEOs must qualify under the State Standard Police Firearms Course once a year at their own expense. Think about that logic, seasoned LEO vets must qualify yet gun permit holders aren't required to. Some have made bold posts that they are prepared to engage in the gravest extreme with no experience?….LAUGHABLE!! Banging steel plates and punching holes in paper targets is a far cry from actually being out in the field deciding how to handle encounters coupled with the use of force. The Feds, State/Local LEOs are bound by that creed and especially after 911, the incredible amount of work still ongoing. That camaraderie doesn't get any better and lasts a lifetime. Academy's are tough and the washout rates high and for those of us who have made it through them and stayed the course has what it takes and have earned the right to speak from experience, no claim about it...straight and clear, now that's cool....Stay safe, E476, 10-42
As Moe said to Shemp in the telephone booth scene, "now look.. we are getting nowhere fast" I'll sign off with this.
At no point was anyone's manhood called into question nor the BTDT attitude displayed. The BTDT doesn't exist!!… you learn from start to finish. Those interpretations and judgments where made due to the obvious lack of reading comprehension by several and the failure by some to cite the proper posts that prompted my responses. The initial posted question was 'do you carry one in the chamber", which degraded from there by posters who have these unrealistic mindsets and insecurities of the constant imminent threat of armed encounters and that they must have their gun with them every second of every day without the experience to know all the legal consequences that goes along with it if used improperly. It's not a can of Raid. I am assuming you are a fine Instructor and teach proper realistic firearms preparedness because your reputation is on the line. Try asking a simple question to your students..."Why do you want to carry a gun.", sit back and listen to their responses. That can be your starting point on how each one needs to be trained in the brain and gun and how to carry it properly and safely, then they can decide what condition of readiness they choose to keep it in. In NY State a civilian must take a basic handgun safety course and I believe a basic continuum of force, 3-4 hours prior to applying for a carry permit. They do NOT have to pass a State Standard Police Firearms Course. Under HR218,(Bush), and S1132,(Obama), retired LEOs must qualify under the State Standard Police Firearms Course once a year at their own expense. Think about that logic, seasoned LEO vets must qualify yet gun permit holders aren't required to. Some have made bold posts that they are prepared to engage in the gravest extreme with no experience?….LAUGHABLE!! Banging steel plates and punching holes in paper targets is a far cry from actually being out in the field deciding how to handle encounters coupled with the use of force. The Feds, State/Local LEOs are bound by that creed and especially after 911, the incredible amount of work still ongoing. That camaraderie doesn't get any better and lasts a lifetime. Academy's are tough and the washout rates high and for those of us who have made it through them and stayed the course has what it takes and have earned the right to speak from experience, no claim about it...straight and clear, now that's cool....Stay safe, E476, 10-42
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vstromrider
Member
Any one can have a opinion on self defense. However once you have faced a true deadly force confrontation or physical force that might quickly become deadly force. Your opinions will face a reckoning.
Also your true self will be revealed. We who have already been there when the all the sanity has gone out of a situation because of one or more unbalanced people. Know all we want is to protect those we care about ( family and brothers, innocents) and bring a quick ending ( hopefully not deadly).
Enjoy practicing but be soberminded about deadly force..
And be safe at all times..
Also your true self will be revealed. We who have already been there when the all the sanity has gone out of a situation because of one or more unbalanced people. Know all we want is to protect those we care about ( family and brothers, innocents) and bring a quick ending ( hopefully not deadly).
Enjoy practicing but be soberminded about deadly force..
And be safe at all times..
cshoff
Member
I apologize if I somehow missed an earlier post that your remarks were made in regards to. The remarks of yours that I called into question appeared to be made towards a guy who just recently was "given permission" by his state to be lawfully armed at all times, and who stated that, to him, it "just makes sense to have your weapon on you", and that he felt "naked without" his pistol on his person.
While his choice of words in describing that sentiment might be an area of contention for you, I'm not sure why you would accuse him of trying to be "cool" or "fashionable" simply because of his line of reasoning for keeping his firearm immediately accessible as often as he can. Whether you, or I, or anyone else agrees with his reasoning is really irrelevant in the overall scheme of things. Preparedness, to whatever degree the individual sees fit, is a valid concept.
Now like I said above, if I missed some other post that was made prior, that you were directing your remarks to, then I apologize for my mistake.
I would basically agree with you, except I have to wonder how you arrived at the conclusion that all of these folks have not availed themselves of some resource for familiarizing themselves with the statutory requirements of their state regarding weapons and the use of force?
Everyone lives/works/operates in their own unique environment. What might be "unrealistic" or "insecure" in one environment (perhaps the environment you live in each day), might be perfectly valid in another environment. I can use myself as an example. I live in the middle of nowhere, nearest town with emergency services is 25 minutes away, sheriff's office/headquarters is 35 minutes away on a good day, closest hospital is 50 minutes. It is not uncommon at all for response times, even during bonafide emergency situations, to be upwards of 30 minutes around here. We could have feral dogs, feral hogs, coyotes, and venomous snakes literally right outside our door at any minute - not to mention any two-legged predators that might be lurking around (poachers, meth cookers, thieves, etc), so even a seemingly harmless trip out the garden or to take the trash out could prove problematic. It is for those reasons that folks around these parts tend to rely on themselves more and tend to be armed more often than not. It's not about being paranoid, rather, it is about being (trying to be) prepared if/when something does happen. So while this type of mindset might seem a bit "unrealistic" in a nice, quiet suburban neighborhood, it's the norm around here.
Ironically, when we conduct the state compliant CCW safety classes, I have a standardized series of self-focused questions we ask the students in an effort to get them to engage their brains:
- What do YOU expect this gun to do?
- How do you believe this gun will fit in with YOUR lifestyle, YOUR style of dress, and YOUR activity level?
- Being as honest with yourself as you can possibly be, how much time will you realistically spend each year obtaining proper training with this gun?
- Realistically, how much time will you devote to practicing what you've learned in that training?
- Now with all of that in mind, what do you think the true role of this gun is going to be for you, and under what circumstances can you realistically expect to have to be able to deploy it efficiently and effectively?
You'd be surprised how many different responses we get to some of these questions.
Well, I don't write the laws, so I can't offer much help there. That said, the human animal is INSTINCTIVELY ready, able, and quite capable of engaging "in the gravest extreme" with no experience. Self preservation is one of the most basic instincts we possess - it is hard wired into our Limbic system and actually requires conscious effort to override. However, it would be foolish to confuse the instinctive nature by which we are "ready, able, and capable" of addressing a deadly threat from that mental standpoint, with the idea that we are also "ready, able, and capable" of addressing said threat from a physical, combative standpoint without any experience/preparation. Instincts are a wonderful thing, and they can "save your bacon" under some circumstances, but in a physical altercation, there is no substitute for a proper physical response, which can only be learned through proper preparation (experiences).
Sure enough. However, police/LEA academies aren't the only place one may obtain relevant training and experiences, and subsequently, the "right" to speak from those experiences. Why this kind of discussion always seems to get turned into a p**ing contest is beyond me. You stay safe as well.
cshoff
Member
Many folks who have never worn a badge or uniform have faced "true deadly force" situations where sanity has gone out the window. Yet for some reason, those experiences are often downplayed or disregarded altogether, by those who do wear the badge or the uniform. It's as if those experiences are somehow less real, less severe, or less serious when it is an armed/unarmed civilian involved.
