How's the sigma's performance in Afghanistan?

[Dbltap9mm]

Hey everyone I'm new to the forum and I thought I'd start off with a question I've had ever since I bought my 1st sigma (now looking for another). I've been searching for the last few months on the performance of the sw9ve in Afghanistan. I saw a documentary called "camp victory" and in the documentary there is a scene where we (u.s.) are training the afghan army on The sigma. I haven't been able to find any stats on the performance on this gun in combat. Personally I've put appx 1,000 rds through mine without any malfunctions of the gun, the only unreliability I've had is with the Remington umc 115gr fmj .I had 2 ejection failures with that one specific ammo, every other ammo that I have used has worked great (federal,WWB,blazer,Remington jhp,various reloads). Afghanistan is a gun proving ground, if a gun works reliably in that country you can be pretty well sure that it's a quality piece. Does anyone know where I can find any stats on reliability, accuracy, wound ballistics on this gun In combat in Afghanistan or with police in the u.s.. I look forward to having many more conversations on this board.

Thanks for taking the time....

Dbltap

 

[leejack]

Welcome to the forum!

No Idea on answering your question, but I imagine the sigma rocks anywhere in the world.

 

[1 old 0311]

I am SURE the Military keeps stats but I couldn't begin to point you in a direction. Good luck.

 

[Erich]

Wow, that's amazing! I was talking to a former contractor (a present-day instructor in the DOE's shooting school, former LEO) in Afghanistan about their performance just today.

This guy trained Afghan police, and was paid by Uncle Sam to do it. I immediately asked and he confirmed (seemed a little surprised by the question - he had called to talk law with me) that the police were given Sigmas. The instructor said that they were completely reliable. He told me that the Afghan police that he was training were largely comprised of uneducated farmers with absolutely no weapons training, and that the Sigmas were just completely idiot-proof in their hands. Good, utterly reliable bare-bones weapons. The Sigma triggers are the only issue he could suggest, but we all know what we're dealing with there. .

I told him that I owned a Sigma, and he told me that he was so impressed by the performance of the Sigmas that he looked into the M&P when he got back here. He much prefers the M&P for himself (I would, as well), and owns seven of them.

Oh, and welcome to the forum!

 

[Bat Guano]

I know that if I were S&W management I would want all the feedback I could get on those Sigmas to plug it back into the system. It's got to be a tough environment with the trainee profiles, environmental conditions, and probable neglect and abuse in long term service. (Think cops with 12th century mechanical aptitudes.)

We know that Lee-Enfields can last 100 years in Afghanistan. Maybe the Sigmas can, too.

Hopefully someone can get back to us in 2112 on this.

 

[Dbltap9mm]

Hey guys thanks for the replies. After I posted my question yesterday i called my buddy who just got out of the military after 2 deployeyments in Afghanistan. We got talking about the performance of the weapons they use (m4, beretta m9, m14 ebr) and I got around to asking about if he had a chance to see or shoot any of the Afghans sigmas. His thoughts on the topic was that it was a very reliable secondary weapon and he would have no problem carrying one if his beretta was down, if it was chambered for the 40 s&w cartridge. His reasoning was that in a combat situation he probably wouldn't have absolute faith that a 9mm coming out of a 4 inch barrel of a sigma sw9ve would drop an insurgent reliably. He said that if it was a sw40ve he would defiantly consider it as a substitute or replacement for his beretta (he likes the 5 inch barrel of his m9). "on the other hand" he said that if he were back in the states he would definitely carry a sigma 9mm as a carry gun considering most americans aren't carrying a Ak-47, so he wouldn't feel overmatched having a sigma vs.someone with their equivalent 16rd semi auto. He added that in a gunfight, the gun matters less than the person behind it. He gave me a few examples of where his unit was under gunned (he isn't a fan of the 5.56, but likes the m4 platform) but they came out on top because the training he received made all the difference.

I hope that gives some insight