HP or not with plastic tip

[PDL]

Someone had a thread going about an HP with a plastic insert. Started this to 'not' hijack his thread.
Here on the other side of the Iron Curtain in NJ Hollow Points are only allowed in the box and on the range. Any lawyers out there? Does the plastic insert at the tip change it from a Hollow Point to something legal? What do you think?.

All my house guns have HP's loaded anyway. If they ever have to be used, I'm going to need a lawyer anyway. Just thought I'd see what others thought.

 

[rz625-8]

You are talking about the Hornady Civilian Defense rounds,Right???? I have shot some in my revolvers[.38+p] and in my G17,19,and 26 the 9mm and all have mushroomed nicely. Give them[Hornady] a call. They will be glad to help. And save the box incase you get some rounds just incase you have to use your firearm for self defense. Lawyers[prosecution] will not like it but,oh well. rz625-8

 

[gunney 67]

Hello to all from Idaho. I'm new to the forum. I think he may be talking about the Hornady critical defense ammo with the polymer insert in the hollow point cavity to enhance expansion thru all mediums and avoid plugging the cavity with clothing, wood, etc that would stop expansion. These are supposed to be awesome bullets! Uniform expansion every time.

 

[ContinentalOp]

I don't have any firsthand experience with them, but I believe Federal makes a similar round. It's called Expanding Full Metal Jacket (EFMJ) and, if I remember correctly, was specifically designed for use in jurisdictions that restrict the use of hollowpoints, such as NJ. It might be worth checking out.

 

[elcruisr]

The EFMJ is your answer. I use them in my Commander and I'm not even in NJ! As for whether or not the insert in the ammo you're talking about it would probably take a simultaneous combined act of congress, a motion in the UN, a directive from the chief of police and a note from your mother to get a legal answer.

So me, I'd just stock up on the EFMJ and be legal.

 

[flop-shank]

Corbon Powerball is another option and available in more calibers than EFMJ IIRC. FWIW big bore weapons in calibers like .44 spl. or .45 Colt and wadcutters would work reasonably well (Imagine wadcutters from a 500 smith ).

 

[SWAT Lt.]

If I lived in NJ, I'd ask an attorney practicing law there, preferably the one you intend to use if you are involved in a shooting. Otherwise I'd contact the state police and ask them. The internet forums are not a place to obtain this type of info as they are full of incorrect information, half truths, and mere opinions of people who are not subject matter experts (no offense to the well meaning folks on the forums).

None of these opinions will matter if you are charged criminally. This is something you could risk going to prison over. I'd make sure I had the correct info even if I had to pay to retain an attorney to get it.

 

[Spotteddog]

It'd sure be nice if when passing this kidney stone like legislation, the entity would have to author what exactly IS lawful to use once they're done twisting the dials? But then, you'd see 2 columns side by side. One full (the disallowed types), the other nearly empty (the allowed types). That would make it way too easy to size up and would give away the true intent of the Kabuki dance however.

 

[PDL]

Thanks guys.
And for Swat, that statement about lawyers was tongue in cheek. I was just looking for opinions and a discussion, not legal advice. it this state, legal or not, any shooting is going to involve an arrest and lawyers. After the former president's statement of 'depends on what your meaning of is is'. I figure even a half baked lawyer can twist the truth to mean whatever he wants it to mean. Just depends on whether the jury finds you more likeable than the perp.

Appreciate the other ammo options that were offered.

 

[ajpelz]

+1 on the Federal EFMJ. Here is straight from their website.... If I were you, I would save a copy to your hard drive, or even better, print it out.

Federal Premium handgun loads are the best around. Hydra-Shok® is the first choice for many military and law enforcement officials across the globe, while Expanding Full Metal Jacket (EFMJ) is UNMATCHED IN NON-HOLLOW POINT technology. EFMJ provides higher energy, more reliable expansion, lower risk of collateral damage and reduced recoil—vitally important features for a personal defense round.

Sounds like they are marketing it as a non-hollow point. They make the round for 9mm, 40, and 45. Hope this helps.

Federal Premium - Handgun Details

 

[Ducktape]

Yup, Corbon Powr'ball, Hornady Critical Defense, EFMJ do not have "hollow cavities", the profile is solid. That said even though it is not technically a HP you should check with your local jurisdiction to be 100%.

 

[WR Moore]

FWIW, there have been reports of inconsistent results with the EFMJ. No idea if the issue is/was related to jacket design or the chemical makeup of the silicone insert that allows expansion or some combination thereof. Evan Marshalls website had some commentary about it awhile back.

I would expect that Hornadays designers had those state/countries where JHP bullets are verboten in mind when they started the project. Not necessarily as a first priority, but firmly in mind. An article in the American Rifleman indicated that preventing overpenetration was a major concern. Their design intent of an absolute maximum of 12 inch penetration causes me concern about the ability to adequately penetrate the body if a limb (arm/leg) is struck first.