HR 1705, National Ammo Control Bill.

[sheepdawg]

An effort to close what bill's supporters term the "ammo loophole" would make mandatory background checks the nationwide norm for ammunition sales.

Under measures proposed in the House by Florida's Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the Senate by Connecticut's Richard Blumenthal, would-be ammunition buyers would have to be first vetted by the FBI's National Instant Background Check System. The lawmakers, allied with national gun control groups, say the move to add controls to bullet sales would help save lives.

Dems Debut National Ammo Control Bill in Congress :: Guns.com

 

[stansdds]

It seems that every Congress tries to resurrect previously failed bills and resolutions designed to curb, ban, or confiscate firearms and ammo. This resolution is nothing new, hopefully it will again be defeated in committee. Contact your Representative and make them aware of this resolution and your opposition.

 

[Old_Cop]

Shocked, I tell you, shocked that Blumenthal and Wassermann-Schultz would propose this. On the other hand, perhaps it's "reasonable."

 

[Mrnurse]

Same old story year in and out.... Lawyers/Gov doing useless work.

 

[Recusant]

But if I remember correctly I don't believe you have to have an FFL to sell ammo. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[hoc9sw]

But if I remember correctly I don't believe you have to have an FFL to sell ammo. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

You never know what these folks will come up with, and what disastrous impact it would have.

Actually, I don't know of anyplace I buy ammo over the counter that isn't also a proper gun dealer (FFL).

 

[italiansport]

Years ago when I lived in Illinois every time you bought ammo the store had to check your FOID and log your name, address and what exactly you had bought. This was finally scrapped when the State government decided it was unworkable and hadn't done ONE thing to prevent a crime. You'd think they would learn? Naw!!
Jim

 

[Rudi]

It must pass in the Senate and be signed by the President to become law. If anyone is still confused on who wants to take away your civil rights, this might help.

 

[jimbo728]

I wish I could speak my mind about what the Congresswoman from Florida and the Senator from Connecticut are proposing and many other things these folks have done and what they want to do but Im sure it would be contrary to Forum rules. But it`s OK to think it and hope we can preserve our Freedom in our Nation.
Jim

 

[bushmaster1313]

In New Jersey we have to show our firearms ID card to buy ammo at a local dealer. I need online sales to get .300 Savage, .257 Roberts, .44 Special and low recoil 00 Buckshot. When buying online we need to send a picture of our card. The big online sellers like Bud's keep the card on file.

Having to show or email your card is really not much more than a mild annoyance. What would be oppressive is the proposed New Jersey legislation that would require all online purchases to go through a local licensed dealer who would act as a transfer agent. This would drive up cost, the local dealers would not want the headache, and it would put a de facto end to online ammo purchases for New Jersey residents.

 

[stansdds]

In New Jersey we have to show our firearms ID card to buy ammo at a local dealer. I need online sales to get .300 Savage, .257 Roberts, .44 Special and low recoil 00 Buckshot. When buying online we need to send a picture of our card. The big online sellers like Bud's keep the card on file.

Having to show or email your card is really not much more than a mild annoyance. What would be oppressive is the proposed New Jersey legislation that would require all online purchases to go through a local licensed dealer who would act as a transfer agent. This would drive up cost, the local dealers would not want the headache, and it would put a de facto end to online ammo purchases for New Jersey residents.

I expect that if a national ammo control bill were enacted, it would go something like that. First it will just be an ID card, so we know that those who buy ammo are law abiding citizens, then it morphs into a tracking system. Then the tracking system becomes a limiting system on what and how much you can legally buy and all in the name of public safety. It is the slippery slope of trading liberty for safety and we know, or at least we should know, how that ends.

 

[fordson]

This proposed bill will probably pass in the House but will not pass in the Senate, at least for now. When the Senate changes hands, it'll be a different story.

 

[delcrossv]

Years ago when I lived in Illinois every time you bought ammo the store had to check your FOID and log your name, address and what exactly you had bought. This was finally scrapped when the State government decided it was unworkable and hadn't done ONE thing to prevent a crime. You'd think they would learn? Naw!!
Jim

Still have to show a FOID, they just don't log the purchase. Heck, I have to show it for internet ammo buys too.

 

[bushmaster1313]

Still have to show a FOID, they just don't log the purchase. Heck, I have to show it for internet ammo buys too.

Whether you look 16 or 60, everybody gets carded at the local liquor store in my neighborhood. Corporate policy of "Rite Aid."

 

[CH4]

There is no constitutional provision saying "The right of the people to keep and bear alcohol shall not be infringed."

The 21st amendment kinda says that.

 

[daglockman]

Already being done in California.

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Similar action being proposed in Colorado. We are just a couple of test beds to see how people react to different scenarios locally before being taken on a national basis.

 

[stansdds]

Already being done in California.

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Similar action being proposed in Colorado. We are just a couple of test beds to see how people react to different scenarios locally before being taken on a national basis.

Yep, so you can go online and buy discount priced ammo, have it shipped to a registered ammo dealer (just like shipping a firearm to a FFL), pay for a background check (just like buying a firearm from a FFL), pay storage and handling fee, and pay a transfer fee (just like buying firearms online). So that discount ammo just got more expensive than buying ammo from the local gun shop. And there is no record keeping... yet, but that will come and add an expensive layer of bureaucracy that you will pay for in the form of even more expensive ammo prices and/or taxes.


So you traded a little bit of liberty for a little bit of safety, but that safety may cost so much that you will no longer be able to afford what remains of your liberty. The slippery slope.

 

[BB57]

The law contains a provision that allows someone with a state issued firearms permit to buy ammo without the NICS check. Consequently, if passed, the law would then provide yet another incentive for people to get a concealed carry permit.

That's not a bad thing - until that is recognized and a revision is made to end that provision. And I suspect that would be likely to happen sooner or later.

If passed, I suspect we'll also either see a similar measure for reloading components, or we'll see this or a future administration develop or interpret regulations for this law that define those components as "ammunition". That would be even worse if you source brass, bullets, powder and primer from different vendors and pay the inevitable fees multiple times.

 

[fordson]

I think we can all see where this is eventually going. Regulate ammo (and probably reloading components) to the point that the associated fees and taxes drive the price up to an unaffordable level. We can still have our firearms, just can't afford the ammo. This will impact responsible and law abiding citizens but will make no difference to criminals. They will still get ammo. So much for "gun safety " but that's not the goals here, is it?

 

[jag312]

They will come after reloading equipment next. Registering a press? Keeping records on how much reloading is done for a yearly tax? Reloaded ammunition has to be automatically marked to identify the press that was used? Registered bullet molds having unique identifiers that are put on the cast bullets. Non-reloadable brass?