I must admit it...

TTSH

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Okay, I must admit it. :) Despite being an elderly, half-senile, old curmudgeon and dyed-in-the-wool S&W traditionalist who would never even think about buying a new S&W revolver with the dreaded and ugly IL in a million years... the fact is that I fell in love with a brand spanking new Model 17 Classic that I found at Cabela's the other day. :) Holy cow was that a beautiful & magnificent work of art. :D

Price tag read a cool $1K so it was not something that I was going to try to take home without the good wife's explicit written permission... and I do admit that the IL "pimple" still bothers me (although less so on a blued gun with the old style thumbpiece/cylinder release)... but the gun was simply magnificent otherwise. I swear to God that I didn't even know Smith & Wesson was still capable of making a blued revolver that nice anymore. :confused: The fit and finish was nothing short of amazing. :) The only thing I could compare it to was a "like new" Python that I saw elsewhere earlier in the day. ;)

I think the problem is that I've been looking at too many "affordable" (read: badly worn) pre-17 K-22's and Model 17's in the last couple years in the search for one that I could afford. And, as an alternative, I've been looking at used Model 617's, including a bunch of them being blown out by the local firearms school. :o I know what those have gone through since I observed their use when my wife was taking her license course. :eek:

But here's the big problem: $1K :eek: That is a ton of money to an old, retired "fixed income" fool like me. :(

So here is my question:
What are the members seeing out there in terms of availability and street prices for these brand new Model 17 Classics? I know Cabela's isn't usually the cheapest even with those discounted cards and other promotions (I do NOT expect to see that Model 17 Classic go on sale there). Is this something that I could possibly save up for and expect one to be around again somewhere someday? :confused: Or are these rare birds that go fast and for top dollar when they appear? :confused:

Also, does finish quality vary with these guns? :confused: Or are they coming through pretty consistent? :confused: As I said, the one I found was truly magnificent. Are they all that good? Or did I manage to find an exceptional one? :confused:

If I go back up there before they sell it, I promise to try to take a photo or two so you can see what I mean. :D Thanks! :)
 
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I got a nice 17-4, which is still P&R, and it had the numbered grips for $650 not all that long ago. No box or papers. Bought it from a forum member who said they bought it from the gorilla.

$1K seems like an awful lot of money for a new revolver. I ride on the wagon that older is better, and new don't interest me in the slightest. So I would look for an older one. Not only to save money, but better in my opinion.

Good luck.
 
Looking online, Bud's Gun Shop has it for $832.00 online cash price. So, it sounds like your LGS has it marked up quite a bit over online pricing.
 
Be nice if Cabela's would take mercy on ya TTSH being a retired slightly older "young" man but that ain't gonna happen. Tough when one has the gun bug bad but maybe ya should check out other possibilities like others suggest. But best of luck and keep us informed.
 
Seems like the same investment should be able to get you a pretty nice condition old original, and if you treat it well it will increase in value in the years ahead. Just the thought of some craftsman adding another stroke or two of the file and then being pleased with the fitment and function before passing it along is worth it to me. Neither you or I will live to see any of these "Classics" or for that matter, tributes of any sort, actually increase in value. The old gun will also stand up to regular cleaning after use, and the bluing won't wipe off if you get a little bore cleaner on it. They may be able to put a shine on one of these new ones, but it will never shine with the same light as one of the originals.
 
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My LGS has them priced at $1200. Maby once or twice a year a local big box outdoors store (Guns, Fishing and Other Stuff, a truly miserable place to do business) offers them $900ish. I would have to say that $1k is a fair price. If not a great one. Out here in the Peoples Republic you will 1, not find a good older one for sale anyway, 2, you achieved the impossible and found it in a gun store, clean in original box, you can double that $1000. Then you will end up with a revolver that, for some of us is to valueable to shoot. Around here a clean Security Six goes for $1000. I can't speak as to how well it will hold up, but espically with a wifes ok, you will regret buying it.
 
Seems like you could get a pretty nice "old" one for a Grand!

If you have been looking at ''affordable" 17s...... I know that means $500 to you; or at least the Mrs.........

...... if you are going to seek permission to spend $1000 on a single gun..... get the one you really want........ old or new.....but make 'it" the one you truly want!!!!!

Luck

:D
 
For $1000 I wouldn't even consider it. But, this is the S&W Forum, full of collectors and folks seeking out best of class models/versions to take home.

It seems to me that the Classics line seems to attract two groups:

1) Already have the originals, and they're either too nice to shoot or people don't want to shoot them often. Sort of like the rich guy with a Ferrari 365 California who buys a new model to actually drive around.

2) Relative gun novice in gun store..."Oooh, that one is pretty!" Doesn't know squat about P&R, MIM, transfer bars, numbered grips, or anything else related to the history of S&W.

Since I'm 100% sure TTSH isn't #2, and maybe not #1, I guess there's a #3?

The gun looks like a good deal at $600, but with older 17s and even K22s in good shape selling for less than $1000 I don't see the point.
 
An area LGS here in southern WI has one on his list for $895. Personally I would go the route of finding a decent older one (which I did with a 17-4). $1K is a lot of dough. He also has a new 4 inch 617 for $775. Also not appealing to me since I have a 4 inch no dash 617.
 
I looked at completed sales on GB. Someone in Maine sold a bunch at 919.99 plus 35 shipping. So by the time you factor in your FFL you will probably save the tax. I have to say that I have bought and sold some pretty pre 17s and 17s with box and docks in last 3 years. None hit the $1K mark. 1 came really close but it was a really nice gun from 1957. My advise which is worth $0 is to find a really nice used one for near or less than $1K. After you pay the $70 to $90 sales tax it will take quite awhile as in many years to be able to resell it at your cost. However, I have myself bought brand new guns in the past..not because of collector value but because I like them. Quite a few to be sure. So resale value is not everyone's primary driver for purchasing a gun. If it's a brand new gun it surly cannot be that. So do what makes you sleep at night and happy during the day. It's your money and your gun. Take the advise here then sleep on it and do what you want to do. (and my other advise is to not omit your wife's knowing from your decision.)
 
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$989 is current MSRP on a 17 Classic. You should be able to find one below that. Anyone charging more is gouging you. Buds is advertising $832 with free shipping.
 
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TTSH, What are the laws there in Mass? Could you buy one from out of state and have it shipped to an FFL there in Mass? A K-22/Model 17 is my next acquisition and I won't pay that much.
 
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TTSH, What are the laws there in Mass? Could you buy one from out of state and have it shipped to an FFL there in Mass? A K-22/Model 17 is my next acquisition and I won't pay that much.
Given the fact that our MA Cabela's has one in stock, it must be legal in MA... so importing is a possibility if the price is right and the quality & finish are the same. :)
 
$989 is current MSRP on a 17 Classic. You should be able to find one below that. Anyone charging more is gouging you. Buds is advertising $832 with free shipping.
Bud's won't ship any handgun to MA but I'm sure others could be found that aren't so squeamish in that regard. :D
 
I JUST PAID $1300 for a 1956/57 K22 99% new ...worth every penny I like nice things...and 2 boot it shoots ....WOW.. .60" @ 10yds single action w/bulk ammo. that $1000 model 17 will be $1050 next yr...you ain't getting younger & they ain't getting cheaper
It is an absolute verified fact that I am not getting any younger. :p And with only 3 good years left, this might be my last chance to score any K-22/Model 17 in "brand new" or "like new" condition. :o
 
with older 17s and even K22s in good shape selling for less than $1000 I don't see the point.

That has always been my viewpoint and logic when it comes to all revolvers, not just these ones. Why buy the modern day equivalent, when the actual classics are still available at better cost often.

However, guns are bought for many different purposes. Those purposes usually call for many different kinds of guns. So modern guns have their place too and a lot of times are better suited. Most of use supplement with new stuff.

So it comes down to what the OP truly wants. He can decide with some good advice knowing that deals can be found for whatever he chooses.
 
An area LGS here in southern WI has one on his list for $895. Personally I would go the route of finding a decent older one (which I did with a 17-4). $1K is a lot of dough. He also has a new 4 inch 617 for $775. Also not appealing to me since I have a 4 inch no dash 617.

I looked at completed sales on GB. Someone in Maine sold a bunch at 919.99 plus 35 shipping. So by the time you factor in your FFL you will probably save the tax. I have to say that I have bought and sold some pretty pre 17s and 17s with box and docks in last 3 years. None hit the $1K mark. 1 came really close but it was a really nice gun from 1957. My advise which is worth $0 is to find a really nice used one for near or less than $1K. After you pay the $70 to $90 sales tax it will take quite awhile as in many years to be able to resell it at your cost. However, I have myself bought brand new guns in the past..not because of collector value but because I like them. Quite a few to be sure. So resale value is not everyone's primary driver for purchasing a gun. If it's a brand new gun it surly cannot be that. So do what makes you sleep at night and happy during the day. It's your money and your gun. Take the advise here then sleep on it and do what you want to do. (and my other advise is to not omit your wife's knowing from your decision.)
I've been searching for an awfully long time. :o Remember that we have a very hard time importing non-listed and pre-list handguns into MA without that prior MA pedigree although some will tell you that the state doesn't really care so much about older revolvers. Even with an 03 FFL (which I don't yet have), it is no legal slam dunk. :o So my choices are basically what's already here in-state and what a fearless, cooperative dealer might do for me. As I've said before, it if were easy, I'd already own one... or two... or three. ;)

A used Model 617 may still be a good alternative. Those firearms school training guns are being blown out for $550 each. I didn't look at all of them but I do fear that they may have been abused just a little too much to be a good safe buy.
 
For $1000 I wouldn't even consider it. But, this is the S&W Forum, full of collectors and folks seeking out best of class models/versions to take home.

It seems to me that the Classics line seems to attract two groups:

1) Already have the originals, and they're either too nice to shoot or people don't want to shoot them often. Sort of like the rich guy with a Ferrari 365 California who buys a new model to actually drive around.

2) Relative gun novice in gun store..."Oooh, that one is pretty!" Doesn't know squat about P&R, MIM, transfer bars, numbered grips, or anything else related to the history of S&W.

Since I'm 100% sure TTSH isn't #2, and maybe not #1, I guess there's a #3?

The gun looks like a good deal at $600, but with older 17s and even K22s in good shape selling for less than $1000 I don't see the point.
A great post! :) Your "Classic" line customer analysis had me laughing out loud. :D No, I don't own one already... and no, I'm not ignoring the modern innovations... so I guess that does put me in my own category! :D It's called wanting to own a K-22/Model 17 in really nice shape that's available today without having to wait any longer here in the loony restricted moonbat state of Massachusetts. :eek: ;) :D
 
Seems like you could get a pretty nice "old" one for a Grand!

If you have been looking at ''affordable" 17s...... I know that means $500 to you; or at least the Mrs.........

...... if you are going to seek permission to spend $1000 on a single gun..... get the one you really want........ old or new.....but make 'it" the one you truly want!!!!!

Luck

:D
Yep. With the help of one very nice forum member, I recently checked out a couple of K-22's that I could actually afford. However, in both cases I just couldn't bring myself to pull the financial trigger. :( One I would have wanted to get refinished (there goes the budget) and the other one needed some gunsmithing work (again, there goes the budget). So what's the point? :confused: The last few I found before those two were all in the $850 to $899 range... no extra charge for the added minor to major corrosion and Bubba gunsmithing. :rolleyes:

Now you know why the "shiny new one" caught my eye and impressed me so much. :) And BTW, compared to a couple brand new blued Smiths (not K-22's) in my local dealer's shop, the one at Cabela's was twice as nice. :eek: Go figure! ;)
 
It looks like you are going to spend a G note in any event if you want a good one. I wouldn't hesitate to buy new, especially since you seem to have developed a crush on one. I have to say that I do try to avoid Cabela's as they caved in when the Mass AG put the pressure on them a couple of years ago to stop mail order ammo sales to Mass residents. I would much rather give the business to a local shop even if it cost a little more.

Good luck with the wife!
 

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