I recommended a 22LR for self defense/conceal carry today

I'm not real sure why me presenting an alternative perspective spawns ad hominem attacks and demands for me to produce my credentials to somehow prove I'm "for real" despite me preferring to remain anonymous just as most members on here choose to. Either the ideas have merit or they don't.

How am I a fraud? What claims or lofty achievements have I presented that some are finding hard to believe?

Honestly, I would prefer to stick to constructively discussing and debating actual topics and I think what I offered was a perspective many may not have considered that I felt was relevant to the OP. Disagreements are expected and spirited debate is welcome, but it should remain relatively civil.
 
I'm not real sure why me presenting an alternative perspective spawns ad hominem attacks and demands for me to produce my credentials to somehow prove I'm "for real" despite me preferring to remain anonymous just as most members on here choose to. Either the ideas have merit or they don't.

How am I a fraud? What claims or lofty achievements have I presented that some are finding hard to believe?

Honestly, I would prefer to stick to constructively discussing and debating actual topics and I think what I offered was a perspective many may not have considered that I felt was relevant to the OP. Disagreements are expected and spirited debate is welcome, but it should remain relatively civil.

IMO, seems like most of the posters have expressed what's right for them, based on their experience. You've called people out as being "wrong" based on your experience, so they want to know who you are so they can validate your claim. When you aren't willing to provide that info, you come across as a troll. Doesn't seem so complicated. Good luck.
 
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IMO, seems like most of the posters have expressed what's right for them, based on their experience. You've called people out as being "wrong" based on your experience, so they want to know who you are so they can validate your claim. When you aren't willing to provide that info, you come across as a troll. Doen't seem so complicated. Good luck.

Why is my identity needed to determine the validity of my statements? I don't expect that, let alone demand it from people who disagree with me on forums. I simply want to know why they disagree and for them to explain why they are right and why they think I'm wrong. I presented a fairly thorough counter-perspective and either you agree with it or you don't.
 
When you stereotyped the forum demographics and started calling people you don't know untrained target shooters you showed yourself. Then when people called you to put your cards on the table you started acting a victim claiming you are just trying to have a civil debate and deflected the calls for you to prove your claims that you are more knowledgeable than them. I believe you are a troll who regurgitates others experiences in an attempt to start arguments and appear superior to others then you deflect and play the victim when called out. This is my assessment after looking at your post history not only in his thread but many others. Until you prove me wrong that is my honest take on you.

I expect more deflection and evasion. But it's cool. It proves my assessment time and time again.
 
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Why is my identity needed to determine the validity of my statements? I don't expect that, let alone demand it from people who disagree with me on forums. I simply want to know why they disagree and for them to explain why they are right and why they think I'm wrong. I presented a fairly thorough counter-perspective and either you agree with it or you don't.
If someone was giving you medical advice that seemed interesting, but outside what you considered mainstream, wouldn't you want to know who they were so you could better evaluate their info? A physician would probably get more credibility than a cook, right?

Same idea, different topic.
 
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I am not going to read this thread..........a .22.........I am by no means an expert, but a .22 has killed a lot of people. It has also pissed off a lot of people. If you are going to discharge a firearm, and shoot someone...........my choice is the bigger, the better.........38..357..44..45.........multiple hits are better than singles
 
Considering the demographics and background of those that make up the majority of this forum, I'd expect most members will disagree with me on this topic. I'm ok with that.

What skills is she honing that will help her in an actual defense scenario?


Being a better shooter on the context you presented will not necessarily make her more capable of defending herself effectively.
Yeah. Right. Skip all that silly BS about basic gun handling, loading, operational controls, and gun safety. Their importance is way overblown.

Just load up the gun you chose for her, toss it to her, and tell her to get all zenny and "be the defender". :rolleyes:


What an uninformed, uneducated and untrained individual likes is largely irrelevant. They have no knowledge or experience in which to make any kind of informed decision. What they prefer in the context of shooting after one range visit means little in the context of what would be an effective self-defense choice. Most gun guys tend to be "shooters", whose training is limited to static range shooting, who want to get people involved in range shooting in the same manner they do it and approach personal defense from this perspective, but shooting and armed self-defense(fighting with a gun) are two very different things, just like there is a big difference between certain martial arts and practical unarmed self-defense.

Exactly. Slap her around till she agrees with you. Women are too dumb to know what they need. Never listen to any whining about what they prefer. :rolleyes:


I think she would be much better armed with an enclosed hammer snub in .38 special. Standard pressure ammunition is extremely mild and neither my wife, mother or even grandmother(in her 90's) have any significant problems with it. If she absolutely insists on a .22, there are choices available in revolvers.

From Massad Ayoob...

The Real Ladies Gun -- Handguns
I actually agree with you here.
An excellent choice.
Maybe a few months, and much plinking time down the road, perhaps with a few malfunctions with the 22 auto, eb07 can gently slide her into liking the certain reliability and easy simplicity of it. ;)


I applaud you eb07. You introduced a new shooter to firearms in a way that likely started her on the path to more effective self defense. And you did it despite the fact that she was already turned off by someone taking the exact approach advocated by those most critical of what you did and how you did it.

It's called baby steps. New shooters have to start somewhere and you have to start them at the level they are comfortable with. Anything else will elicit the response that this new shooter had in the past. They won't pursue it any further.
Exactly!


or you could have chosen Mister x's method:
Load a 442 with blanks.
Put it in her purse with a load of junk.
Hang the purse on her weak arm.
Have her wear heavy work gloves to simulate cold, stiff winter hands.
Tie a cord to her gun hand wrist.
Strap a life size training dummy to her back. It should weigh at least 170 pounds. If she weighs over 130, dummy should weigh 200.
Punch her in the face a couple of times. Make them good ones. Maybe one in the kidney for good measure. We want to keep it real!
Slam her to the ground on her face.
Now, while jerking the cord occasionally, have her dig for the gun in the purse.
Might want to choke her a little now and then.
Definitely stomp the dummy occasionally, or just jump on it with full body weight.
Continue till she can draw and put 3 powder burns on the dummy. If she whimpers a lot or seems physically stressed, you can drop it to 2 burns outa 5 rds.
Do not give her any familiarization training or range time first. That is just for sissies, and you want her to be tough and ready!


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I really enjoy reading this board most of the time, but you people are way too willing to feed trolls!

I gave him a snack to make the point, but that's all he will get.
If he made his point one time about a hammerless revolver and some 'practical' scenario training, it would have validity. He wants you all to capitulate and admit he is smarter than all of you combined.
CUT HIM OFF! :p



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I applaud you eb07. You introduced a new shooter to firearms in a way that likely started her on the path to more effective self defense. And you did it despite the fact that she was already turned off by someone taking the exact approach advocated by those most critical of what you did and how you did it.

It's called baby steps. New shooters have to start somewhere and you have to start them at the level they are comfortable with. Anything else will elicit the response that this new shooter had in the past. They won't pursue it any further.


eb07,
I forgot to say BC38 stated a great summary of what you did.
You took a negative mindset and turned it into a positive, enjoyable experience.

Well done, sir!
Keep teaching her.
 
If someone was giving you medical advice that seemed interesting, but outside what you considered mainstream, wouldn't you want to know who they were so you could better evaluate their info? A physician would probably get more credibility than a cook, right?

Same idea, different topic.
IMO, his positions weren't even outside mainstream, or controversial, but they didn't really apply to the case at hand (the original post). They also seemed to be putting down the OP's justified enthusiasm over what most of us considered a good deed.

It is quite possible that the crowd here can see Mister X's motives better than he himself can see them, but I'm not so sure that his "quals" are an issue. Again, his view is not, IMO, mistaken, just not appropriate here.
 
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