If this forum had a say with Smith & Wesson


Thankfully they haven’t implemented half the items in the agreement. Given the fact that they haven’t abided by a significant number of the terms I think getting rid of the lock seems like a reasonable possibility.

I’m guessing all the old tooling has been discarded or updated for the new frame shape and that costs related to changing everything back is a larger hurdle.
 
I guess you know all these wishes are just that -- wishes. I'm sure S&W is like every other large company in this country -- run by the bean counters. Anything that would reduce any profit from the balance sheet ain't gonna happen.
 
Zgard you never know what will happen. Everyone was not expecting the return of the Python and other Colt classics.
 
I love the 1911. Back when I was in the Marine Corps I didn't. I considered it a very dangerous handgun, for the users. Probably because so many were not careful and knowledgeable about handling them. Too many accidental discharges resulting in injuries. Now comparing it to the striker fired semi's I love it. You see one, pick it up and know immediately if it could be fired. The hammer back? It can fire, if the safety is disengaged ( Another safety item). Too bad here in Kalifornia they are not on the list of saleable handguns.
 
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I love the 1911. Back when I was in the Marine Corps I didn't. I considered it a very dangerous handgun, for the users. Probably because so many were not careful and knowledgeable about handling them. Too many accidental discharges resulting in injuries. Now comparing it to the striker fired semi's I love it. You see one, pick it up and know immediately if it could be fired. The hammer back? It can fire, if the safety is disengaged ( Another safety item). Too bad here in Kalifornia they are not on the list of saleable handguns.

That's just not right since they are a favorite of Hollywood
 
Colt did it - Brought Back the Snake Revolvers.

Maybe Smith should reconsider and bring back the Vintage Guns with the same quality.

I suspect Smith could easily bring back the Vintage Guns if they wanted to.

However, the Quality Issue: We simply do not have the Craftsmen to day as that of the Pre-War and Post-War era.
 
I had a idea for a 586 I call the combat special. 5 inch barrel, matt blue finish, 7 shot cylinder cut for moon clips, all the custom trigger work done and round butt grip.
 
Since we are sharing our wishes, I will advance mine. Initially, it doesn't involve releasing any new or vintage products, but more so, taking a page out of Glock's book and advance our sport!

By creating the Glock Sport Shooting Foundation (GSSF), it is getting Glock owners out to the range, promoting safe gun handling, and developing/nurturing shooting skills, while also cultivating a pool of repeat customers! Currently, the GSSF outdoor courses of fire would require negligible modification to become revolver friendly! The course of fire for every entry (type of pistol) includes:
A) a 5 paper target stage (fired 3 times)
B) a 4 paper target stage with a pepper popper, (fired 3 times) and
C) a rack of six steel plates (fired 4 times).

Typically, paper targets are placed at 5 to 25 yards maximum, and steel is positioned at 11 yards. Initially, GSSF used the NRA D1 "Tombstone" target, but they have recently adopted their own proprietary non-humanoid target.

Each course of fire is scored time plus penalty for dropped points and misses. The aggregate of the 3 stages determines match standings. For the outdoor events, each entry is $30, requires a GSSF membership ($30-35 a year), and they recommend bringing 150 rounds per entry. Members that have either won 3 Glocks in Competition or hold a master classification in the recognized shooting sports are deemed "Masters", while those that have not reached the pinnacle are deemed Amateurs. I am currently classed an Amateur, and can complete each course of fire with 81 rounds of ammunition, except for the Pocket Glock and Major Sub divisions, which I can complete with 54 rounds. For the 2 Amateur exclusive divisions (Amateur Civilian and Amateur Guardian), they have the following subcategories and award a $75 to the highest score in the subcategory: Female, Junior Female, Junior Male, Senior (55+), Super Senior (65+), and Challenged.

Based on entries and membership fees, the GSSF is relatively self sustaining. If a division has at least 10 Masters/15 Amateurs, a pistol is awarded in each class per division. If there are fewer than the stated minimum, first place gets $100, second and third places get Glock swag (currently an E-tool and a fighting knife). All that is really needed is a host club. The average shooting day may run 7-8 hours, but depending on backup, four entries could be fired in under 3-4 hours.

Just imagine how many Smith owners would participate, and how many would become repeat buyers in order to be able to compete in all of the offered divisions! Just visualize if S&W created a SWSSF, and had the following divisions: Snubnose (3 inches or less), Medium bore Combat (4"), Medium bore Target (6"+), Medium bore Semi-Auto, Large bore Combat (40 cal and larger with 4"), Large bore Target (40 cal and larger with 6"+), and Large bore Semi-Auto! There could even be rimfire revolver and rimfire Semi-Auto divisions! Depending upon the number of entries, host clubs get a select number of pistols. Usually clubs keep 1 or 2 for fundraising, while the remainder are raffled off amongst the range officers that make the event possible!

This approach fulfills multiple objectives, but more so, it gets people out shooting safely!

Smith and Wesson, take this seriously and give it some thought!
 
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It really doesn’t matter but what WRMoore said is pretty much completely wrong nowadays. Robert’s summary in post 36 much more accurately describes modern CNC machining. It’s not the 50s and 60s any more! - thank God!

I'm quite impressed with what I've read here about the progress of CNC machining. However, I didn't see CNC machines moving into wide usage until the very late 1970s or later, possibly depending upon what industry was involved. So your time line is off there.

The downside is that, unfortunately, keeping pace with machining technology is terribly expensive. Really tough for the small shops.

Back in those late 70's, pretty much anything CNC started at 1 Million or so close it didn't matter. Rumor had it the humungous facing/boring machine at the Westinghouse plant that did power plant generators ran over $25 million.
 
Back in those late 70's, pretty much anything CNC started at 1 Million or so close it didn't matter. Rumor had it the humungous facing/boring machine at the Westinghouse plant that did power plant generators ran over $25 million.

I started programming on an NC lathe purchased in 1974 for $60,000....We had a pair of Monarch machining centers that were around $125k. I worked at another shop in the late 70's and were buying horizontal machining centers for $200k. The machines you are referring to were very early NC and very large. Smith and Wesson, or other gun makers would not be buying machines of that size for their standard products.
 
When I got my first handgun in the late 60’s the DA revolvers from
S&W and by then to a lesser extent Colt had the police market locked up.
Civilian buyers went for what the cops bought. Along with hunting and target type handguns both companies offered a full product line with comparable models. The guns that I saw in catalogs and in gun stores are what got me interested in becoming a collector.

Over the years I have focused on collecting S&W and Colt DA revolvers from c.1900 to the early 80’s. My favorites are K frame .38s and .22s. I have far more S&W s than Colts and only own two autos , a 1911-A1 and a 1903 Colt .32.

I give S&W a thumbs up for it’s classic line. However since there are still a lot of older S&Ws that I did’nt grab my the first time around I continue to stay focused on buying older guns. My newest S&W is a model 64 from 1980. The last new gun I bought was a model 34 in 1978.

What I would like to see S&W do is remain relevant and competitive in today’s market while maintaining it’s links with the past. While I hoped that S&W would b able to continue to repair revolvers from the 60s - 80’s it looks repair option are becoming fewer.

But if S&W were offer a K-32 or Model 1950 .45 ACP Target I would be tempted to by new.
 
The Heritage series didn't sell very well. That's probably why they won't get that deep into old style high quality revolver production again. The only market there is boomers, most of whom are selling, not buying.
 
Colt did it - Brought Back the Snake Revolvers.

Maybe Smith should reconsider and bring back the Vintage Guns with the same quality.

I suspect Smith could easily bring back the Vintage Guns if they wanted to.

However, the Quality Issue: We simply do not have the Craftsmen to day as that of the Pre-War and Post-War era.

Colt proved that the vintage guns will sell at premium prices. I’m one of the ones that bought several new snake guns and don’t mind paying a premium for the fit, finish and quality. I’m not saying they’ve not had a few issues but that’s a normal part of producing any product.

We have the craftsmen to do quality work. Again colt proved that. It’s just a matter of hiring the right people and paying them what they deserve for the quality they produce. I live about 20 minutes from the new S&W facility. There are plenty of highly skilled machinists around here. Just a few minutes the other direction we have the most highly skilled machinists in the US turning out nuclear components for the government. They work to the very highest standards possible and there are a number of other companies around the area employing machinists working in ultra precision machining as well. Tennessee already has several gun manufacturers including Barrett and Barretts. Hopefully smith will eventually move all production down here.
 
The wonder 9mms of today are not my cup of tea for a number of reasons but one should shoot what one shoots the best. I'm an old guy that has been shooting a .45 ACP longer than most people have been alive today so I stick to what I know best. That does NOT mean it is best for you or anyone else as I am NOT a .45 ACP only type of guy!

There is a reason the US military took the full auto setting away in favor of the 3 round burst setting. Some people seemed incapable of self-regulating themselves as we were taught to control our bursts on full auto fire. What a shame as full auto defiantly had a great function for those who knew how and when to use it properly!

I know I am different from most as I preferred my M-14 to the M-16. My favorite was the M-21. I have always preferred precession fire as I grew up a hunter.
 
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