Illinois Bans Ivory

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Bill Status of HB4843 100th General Assembly
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Short Description: IVORY BAN

House Sponsors
Rep. Martin J. Moylan - Laura Fine - Linda Chapa LaVia, Sara Feigenholtz, Robyn Gabel, Sam Yingling, Natalie A. Manley, Frances Ann Hurley, Margo McDermed, Rita Mayfield and David S. Olsen

Senate Sponsors
(Sen. Linda Holmes , Julie A. Morrison, Bill Cunningham, Laura M. Murphy and John F. Curran)

Last Action
Date Chamber Action
8/14/2018 House Public Act . . . . . . . . . 100-0857

Statutes Amended In Order of Appearance
New Act


Synopsis As Introduced
Creates the Ivory Ban Act. Provides that it shall be unlawful for any person to import, sell, offer for sale, purchase, barter, or possess with intent to sell, any ivory, ivory product, rhinoceros horn, or rhinoceros horn product. Provides that these provisions do not apply to specified antique weapons or musical instruments. Establishes penalties for violation of the Act. Provides that the Department of Natural Resources may permit, under terms and conditions as the Department may adopt by rule, the import, sale, offer for sale, purchase, barter, or possession with intent to sell, of any ivory, ivory product, rhinoceros horn, or rhinoceros horn product for bona fide educational or scientific purposes, unless this activity is prohibited by federal law. Provides that the Department may adopt any rules necessary for the implementation of the Act.

Actions
Date Chamber Action
2/14/2018 House Filed with the Clerk by Rep. Martin J. Moylan
2/14/2018 House First Reading
2/14/2018 House Referred to Rules Committee
3/7/2018 House Assigned to Consumer Protection Committee
3/12/2018 House Added Chief Co-Sponsor Rep. Laura Fine
4/9/2018 House Do Pass / Short Debate Consumer Protection Committee; 003-002-000
4/10/2018 House Placed on Calendar 2nd Reading - Short Debate
4/13/2018 House Second Reading - Short Debate
4/13/2018 House Placed on Calendar Order of 3rd Reading - Short Debate
4/13/2018 House Added Co-Sponsor Rep. Sara Feigenholtz
4/18/2018 House Added Co-Sponsor Rep. Robyn Gabel
4/19/2018 House Added Co-Sponsor Rep. Sam Yingling
4/19/2018 House Added Co-Sponsor Rep. Natalie A. Manley
4/19/2018 House Added Co-Sponsor Rep. Frances Ann Hurley
4/19/2018 House Added Chief Co-Sponsor Rep. Linda Chapa LaVia
4/19/2018 House Added Co-Sponsor Rep. Margo McDermed
4/20/2018 House Added Co-Sponsor Rep. Rita Mayfield
4/23/2018 House Third Reading - Short Debate - Passed 061-044-001
4/24/2018 Senate Arrive in Senate
4/24/2018 Senate Placed on Calendar Order of First Reading
4/24/2018 House Added Co-Sponsor Rep. David S. Olsen
4/24/2018 Senate Chief Senate Sponsor Sen. Linda Holmes
4/24/2018 Senate First Reading
4/24/2018 Senate Referred to Assignments
4/24/2018 Senate Added as Alternate Co-Sponsor Sen. Julie A. Morrison
5/1/2018 Senate Assigned to Environment and Conservation
5/10/2018 Senate Do Pass Environment and Conservation; 005-000-001
5/10/2018 Senate Placed on Calendar Order of 2nd Reading May 15, 2018
5/11/2018 Senate Added as Alternate Co-Sponsor Sen. Bill Cunningham
5/17/2018 Senate Second Reading
5/17/2018 Senate Placed on Calendar Order of 3rd Reading May 18, 2018
5/17/2018 Senate Added as Alternate Co-Sponsor Sen. Laura M. Murphy
5/22/2018 Senate Added as Alternate Co-Sponsor Sen. John F. Curran
5/24/2018 Senate Third Reading - Passed; 049-000-000
5/24/2018 House Passed Both Houses
6/22/2018 House Sent to the Governor
8/14/2018 House Governor Approved
8/14/2018 House Effective Date January 1, 2019
8/14/2018 House Public Act . . . . . . . . . 100-0857

 

[Borderboss]

I really hate living in this state. The guys at Eagle Grips told me that ivory grips purchased before 12/31/18 were grandfathered in, but I don't know if that's true.

 

[Jetpilot007]

I live in NYS where the Governor wants to ban plastic bags by 2019...Silly if not Laughable

 

[Ozark Marine]

I really hate living in this state. The guys at Eagle Grips told me that ivory grips purchased before 12/31/18 were grandfathered in, but I don't know if that's true.

When Ivory is outlawed in Illinois, only politicians in Illinois will have Ivory.
I left Chicago in May 2013.
Living in S/W Missouri and loving it.

 

[vytoland]

looks like i wont be able to continue displaying my Woolly mammoth tucks over the fire place any more.........thank goodness we will still be able to use plastic bags........i certainly would be depressed if i no longer could see these american symbols caught in the trees and fluttering in the wind.....

 

[jdlii]

Rhinoceros and elephants in Illinois must be doing a happy dance. Not to mention the walrus and narwhals in Lake Michigan.

 

[H Richard]

This is the first I have heard of this one. Wasn't even notified by the IL State Rifle Assoc which usually watches these matters. I wonder what they consider an "SPECIFIED ANTIQUE WEAPON".

 

[Watchdog]

I really hate living in this state. The guys at Eagle Grips told me that ivory grips purchased before 12/31/18 were grandfathered in, but I don't know if that's true.

I take it you live in Illinois? Then this should be old news to you. The bill was passed in May, and signed into law by Governor Rauner in August. It goes into effect January 1, 2019.

Doesn't really matter what the guys at Eagle Grips (or anywhere else) tell you. Get your information from the bill/law, itself. Did you read the terms of the bill? It's pretty clear. You may read it by clicking here. It isn't going to affect any ivory grips or gun accessories already in your possession. You simply won't be able to legally purchase any more. You won't be able to sell it, either.

Bottom line is you may keep your ivory grips and stuff. No one's going to come take it away from you or make you turn it in.

Illinois now joins the states of California, Hawaii, Nevada, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, and Washington in banning ivory and rhino horn.

 

[Watchdog]

I wonder what they consider an "SPECIFIED ANTIQUE WEAPON".

If you click here, you should find the answer to your question.

 

[hoosierone]

Wife and I escaped Illinois eight years ago. Zero regrets.

 

[moosedog]

Yes, Chicago has non stop gang violence, one of the worst in the nation and the XXX's are worried about Ivory.

 

[Jetpilot007]

I take it you live in Illinois? Then this should be old news to you. The bill was passed in May, and signed into law by Governor Rauner in August. It goes into effect January 1, 2019.

Doesn't really matter what the guys at Eagle Grips (or anywhere else) tell you. Get your information from the bill/law, itself. Did you read the terms of the bill? It's pretty clear. You may read it by clicking here. It isn't going to affect any ivory grips or gun accessories already in your possession. You simply won't be able to legally purchase any more. You won't be able to sell it, either.

Bottom line is you may keep your ivory grips and stuff. No one's going to come take it away from you or make you turn it in.

Illinois now joins the states of California, Hawaii, Nevada, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, and Washington in banning ivory and rhino horn.

I am sure NYS will follow soon. The Cuomo family is hard at work thinking of ways to protect the American people e.g. plastic bag ban Ivory Ban etc...

I am seriously considering moving to either FL, NV, TN or WY. From what the press reports are stating, NY residents are leaving in significant numbers. Golly, Gee, I wonder why?

 

[torizus]

You can legally keep what you already own,. so long as you don't "possess with intent to sell," and/or "these provisions do not apply to specified antique weapons ".
Just can't buy more w/o the permission of the Department of Natural Resources. for certain purposes.

Will definitely hurt companies such as eagle Grips, Altamont etc,.

 

[kscharlie]

From the Bill: ""Ivory"means any tooth or tusk composed of ivory from any animal, including, but not limited to, an elephant, hippopotamus, mammoth, narwhal, walrus, or whale, or any piece thereof, whether raw ivory or worked ivory, or made into, or part of, an ivory product."

So, it is perfectly legal for an Eskimo to collect ancient walrus or mammoth ivory, or to legally kill a walrus or whale. It is perfectly legal for that same Eskimo to turn that ivory into anything he/she wants to and offer it for sale. It's just illegal for anyone in one of the Nanny states to purchase that legal item.

And just why did they include Mammoth ivory? Are they afraid they might go extinct? Politicians are a special kind of stupid!!!!

 

[glowe]

Anyone notice there is one word changed in the link that drastically changes the meaning of the regulation?? . . . and vs or.

Text of the link from above:

The term "Antique Firearm" means:
A. Any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898; and
B. Any replica of any firearm described in subparagraph (A) if such replica
1. is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, or
2. uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade.
C. Any muzzle loading rifle, muzzle loading shotgun, or muzzle loading pistol, which is designed to use black powder, or black powder substitute, and which cannot use fixed ammunition. For purposes of this subparagraph, the term antique firearm shall not include any weapon which includes a firearm frame or receiver, any firearm which is converted into a muzzle loading weapon, or any muzzle loading weapon which can be readily converted to fire fixed ammunition by replacing the barrel, bolt, breechblock or any combination thereof.

The text from the original regulations:

(16) The term "antique firearm" means—

(A) any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898; or

(B) any replica of any firearm described in subparagraph (A) if such replica—
(i) is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, or
(ii) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade; or

(C) any muzzle loading rifle, muzzle loading shotgun, or muzzle loading pistol, which is designed to use black powder, or a black powder substitute, and which cannot use fixed ammunition. For purposes of this subparagraph, the term "antique firearm" shall not include any weapon which incorporates a firearm frame or receiver, any firearm which is converted into a muzzle loading weapon, or any muzzle loading weapon which can be readily converted to fire fixed ammunition by replacing the barrel, bolt, breechblock, or any combination thereof.

 

[Watchdog]

I am sure NYS will follow soon.

New York has already effectively banned elephant ivory, mammoth ivory, and rhino horn in the state.

Quoting from one news source:

"Governor Andrew M. Cuomo introduced and signed a new law in 2014 that effectively banned the sale of elephant and mammoth ivory and rhinoceros horns, and strengthened the criminal and civil penalties for buyers and sellers whose actions are endangering elephant populations worldwide. The law allowed for limited exceptions on product, such as antiques demonstrated to be at least 100 years old and containing less than 20 percent of ivory. The adoption of these stricter sanctions was a major step in deterring the ivory trade in the U.S. and protecting this important species."

 

[Watchdog]

And just why did they include Mammoth ivory? Are they afraid they might go extinct? Politicians are a special kind of stupid!!!!

Without getting into the intelligence of politicians, the reason for banning mammoth ivory is simple. Some people can't tell the difference between elephant and mammoth ivory. Ditto for walrus ivory. Walrus ivory is often referred to as American ivory, by the way.

Using New York as an example, unscrupulous dealers were selling elephant ivory and passing it off as mammoth, which is (get ready for it)...illegal. I think one case is still undergoing investigation. If there are ways to circumvent or break a law, rest assured some greedy crook dealer will try it.

 

[mm93]

The key words are "with intent to sell". This has been in place in the US for quite some time as it pertains to modern ivory, and has caused a stir at gun shows ever since. Even with fellas selling old guns that obviously had old ivory on them. The issue has always been how to determine age, and whether those who oversee the laws can intelligently do so?
Most firearms sellers I see at large gun shows protect themselves by not selling firearms with ivory grips. The display the guns for sale without the grips, and the grips in a glass case beside the guns. Once the gun is purchased, the seller "gifts" the grips to the buyer, so no money passes hands for the grips, and thus they were not offered for sale.

 

[brjr51]

And after tomorrow we get to wait 72 hours after purchasing a long gun to pick it up. (Handguns were already a 72 hour wait.)
My step daughter and her husband escaped to Missouri last summer, wife and I talk constantly about getting out of here. Thinking about Indiana or Michigan.

 

[Borderboss]

I take it you live in Illinois? Then this should be old news to you. The bill was passed in May, and signed into law by Governor Rauner in August. It goes into effect January 1, 2019.

Doesn't really matter what the guys at Eagle Grips (or anywhere else) tell you. Get your information from the bill/law, itself. Did you read the terms of the bill? It's pretty clear. You may read it by clicking here. It isn't going to affect any ivory grips or gun accessories already in your possession. You simply won't be able to legally purchase any more. You won't be able to sell it, either.

Bottom line is you may keep your ivory grips and stuff. No one's going to come take it away from you or make you turn it in.

Illinois now joins the states of California, Hawaii, Nevada, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, and Washington in banning ivory and rhino horn.

Yep, old news to me but I only heard about it after it was law. The guys at Eagle Grips told me about it because I wanted their fake ivory grips for my Colt 1911. They offered me either fake or real, with the real being $400 more. I didn't care if the grips were real ivory, so went with their fake version which look very nice. See below.