Infirmities - Question about standard vs Bisley hammers

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Over the years, I have pounded my right hand with close to 1 million rounds of handgun in larger calibers. I find my hand will no longer take lots of pounding anymore so I use a shooting glove and wrist brace to mitigate the recoil now. My problem is on a standard Colt SAA, Ruger or the myriad of other SAA's out there, I can no longer get my thumb to come around enough to cock the revolver. Just won't bend far enough back to do so. was thinking a Bisley style hammer may work. Has anyone else run into this problem? And if so what if anything was the fix?
 
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Is your thumb issue arthritis or muscle related? Maybe you can find a good physical therapist that can work up a routine to get your range of motion back. My old wrestling coach is one of the top PT providers in my area and has always helped me with similar issues. The exercises they come up with usually seem like nonsense but trusting them and following through with the routines provided alway have had surprising results.
 
I assume you're shooting single handed, but even if you only start with a two-hand hold, you could cock the hammer with the off hand?
I have 3 first gen Bisley's but I couldn't tell you if that design would help in your case.
The famous Elmer Keith #5 was a custom combination of a standard plow handle SAA and a Bisley. I think Doug Turnbull made some reproductions.

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Is your thumb issue arthritis or muscle related? Maybe you can find a good physical therapist that can work up a routine to get your range of motion back. My old wrestling coach is one of the top PT providers in my area and has always helped me with similar issues. The exercises they come up with usually seem like nonsense but trusting them and following through with the routines provided alway have had surprising results.

Hand has been abused years ago and has gotten worse. To be honest I do not think PT will work now. Spent 14 years as an orthopedic nurse before I retired the second time. last time I talked with an Ortho surgeon (a friend) he mentioned putting some hardware in there and I said I would live with it like it is.
 
I assume you're shooting single handed, but even if you only start with a two-hand hold, you could cock the hammer with the off hand?
I have 3 first gen Bisley's but I couldn't tell you if that design would help in your case.
The famous Elmer Keith #5 was a custom combination of a standard plow handle SAA and a Bisley. I think Doug Turnbull made some reproductions.

Just a moment...

I generally use a two hand hold. However, I was thinking of as I draw, that will be one handed of course. I guess as I bring my other (support) hand up, I could use it to cock the gun. In slow fire not a problem. Was thinking the lower bisley hammer may work better. Guess I will wait until I run across one at a gun shop or gun show to try it out.
 
While the lower hammer will decrease the reach, it seems to me that it has a harder pull due to decreased leverage. None of my Bisleys have as smooth of a hammer pull as my SAAs.
 
Back when I was shooting full power handloads in my three screw Ruger Super Blackhawk I bought into the hype of the "better" hammer of the Bisley and bought a Bisley .44 magnum. The first shot with my handloads resulted in the low Bisley hammer spur removing a chunk of flesh out my thumb knuckle. So I put on a thin camo glove and fired another shot. Same thing. Sold it some time ago. With your left hand just hold the barrel and tip it up to reach the std hammer with your shooting hand.
 
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Two handed hold tutorial.

In Cowboy Action Shooting, I use a drop-down Holster for the right gun and a cross draw for the left. The right hand pulls the gun upward, at the same time the left is reaching towards the rising Vaquero. They meet somewhere around the mid chest height. The left thumb is already close to or on the hammer by the time the gun is extended, and the hammer is cocked by the time I have a sight picture. I have Old Model Rugar Vaqueros in both standard and Beisley configuration. I don't feel any difference in the grip for one verse the other. But remember the hand is at a different angel. This also may affect the "soreness" of your thumb/wrist area.

SASS rules require the muzzle remain down range while drawing. for cross draw, you shift your hips, so the left pelvis swings forward about 3 or 4 inches. At that point your right hand has the grip and as you return your hips to the normal shooting position this pulls the gun from the holster, and it is raising to the shooting position/sight picture. You bring your left hand over in a similar motion to right gun drawing and cock the hammer.

I found for a little extra speed: The right hand is returning the gun to the holster and the left hand has grabbed the left gun from the cross-draw holster around the cylinder area (left hip forward at this point) and starts sliding the gun out as soon as the right gun is seated in that holster. As the left gun comes up the right hand grasps the grip, and the left hand rotates around and thumbs the hammer back about the time you have a sight picture. (With surprising little practice, these entire sequences are very fast!) [SASS rules require that only one gun be out of the holster at a time!]

My guns are all 45 Colt. Loaded with 200 grain LRNFP at about 750-800 fps (ww231 6.7 grain) The guns (4" standard, 5.5" Beisley) absorb most of the recoil but allow you to feel that you have fired (or not).

SASS/Cowboy Action targets are usually large and close, but at home you can control size and distance. My standard practice was to shoot the rifle targets with the revolvers after the match was over for an extra 50 rounds of smaller target practice.

Many ranges use knock-down targets, and it must fall to count, not just go "ding". A low hit with a 600 fps 38 Special, can count as a miss! I have merely grazed the low edge of such targets with my loads, and they fall with authority: ALWAYS USE ENOUGH GUN!

When my F-I-L got into the sport, he practiced sweeping back and forth to start cocking the hammer before he was all the way on target. When talking 10 handgun and 10 rifle shots, you are running into a few seconds. It is surprising how many scores are all within the same second! 1/100ths matter.

Ivan
 
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I don't find the lower slung Bisley hammer any easier to cock ...

I much prefer the higher Standard Blachhawk hammer ...
it seems easier to thumb back to full cock with either hand .

It's one of those things you will need to try out ... possibly your hands will Love the bisley style .
Gary
 
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I have the same issue due to a broken thumb from my childhood. Every single action revolver I own wears a bisley hammer, even those with regular grip frames. It is the only way I can reach the hammer.
 
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Here is a comparison of the two styles of Blackhawk revolvers in .45 Colt chambering. I had both of these modified to use half-cock indexing, but you can see the Bisley hammer spur is a bit lower. Your choice!

John



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Here is a modified bisley hammer on a regular grip frame USFA.
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This is on a Ruger Blackhawk
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And this is one on a Ruger Single six.
 
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This one that I have now started as a Birds Head grip. Did not like the birds head grip after I shot it. So changed to a plow handle grip. Will probably just cock it with my supporting hand. Thank you all for the input.
 

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This one that I have now started as a Birds Head grip. Did not like the birds head grip after I shot it. So changed to a plow handle grip. Will probably just cock it with my supporting hand. Thank you all for the input.
Thanks for posting ...

I thought I was the only person on Earth who doesn't like the "Birds Head Grip " ...

Now I know there are Two of us ... we can start a Club !

Have been enjoying this thread !

Gary
 
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