Is a Chrome BCG worth it?

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I saw one for $130 with free shipping on eagle armory. Last time I was at the range a guy had one and said they were great and fantastic and could sing the star spangled banner. O.k. maybe not that last one but he was singing it's praises.

I know that S&W M&P 15's all have a chrome lined BCG, so is it necessary or worth upgrading to a fully chrome BCG?
 
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I saw one for $130 with free shipping on eagle armory. Last time I was at the range a guy had one and said they were great and fantastic and could sing the star spangled banner. O.k. maybe not that last one but he was singing it's praises.

I know that S&W M&P 15's all have a chrome lined BCG, so is it necessary or worth upgrading to a fully chrome BCG?

In my honest opinion... I would pass on it. The "fail zero" BCG are an improvement, but I don't see a huge advantage to chroming the BCG. A good milspec BCG with properly staked gas key should outlast almost every other part on the rifle. The bolt will eventually need replaced though. In fact, I suggest keeping an extra bolt on hand if you shoot a lot.

I personaly don't own an M&P rifle (only the .22), but I do own a Daniel Defense build, and I can say a quality "M-16" BCG is good to go. Does it look cool when the door is open? Maybe or maybe not. I personally like the milspec look.

Just run her wet and clean her as needed. If a problem develops with your BCG by some strange chance or you are doing a fresh build, then maybe consider the "match" BCG. Otherwise, you will be hard pressed to find any high speed guys putting those on their rifles - and they know a lot more than me.

Again, just my $0.02. I understand the advantage of a chromed BCG, but I feel like it is trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist. Or better, is unfixable. DI guns run dirty... that's life.

Hope this helped you some, Jay.

Stevehttp://www.psholsters.com
 
I saw one for $130 with free shipping on eagle armory. Last time I was at the range a guy had one and said they were great and fantastic and could sing the star spangled banner. O.k. maybe not that last one but he was singing it's praises.

I know that S&W M&P 15's all have a chrome lined BCG, so is it necessary or worth upgrading to a fully chrome BCG?

A chrome lined BCG is good enough. The ion-bonded and fully-chrome BCGs may make cleaning a bit easier, but that is the only real benefit. Get a M-16 (full-auto) chrome-lined BCG with a Sprinco blue spring kit and H2 buffer. I have this stuff in my S&W MOE, and it works real well in the rifle. It'll be the best $200 you'll ever spend on your rifle.
 
Thanks for your opinions. At this point I'm wondering what is the most useful upgrade to purchase. I've read where people swore by the chromed BCG. I've also read what seemed very practical advice as ammo and buis. I don't really consider that an upgrade but a necessity. Thoughts? Suggestions?
 
What is the most useful upgrade to purchase?

Thanks for your opinions. At this point I'm wondering what is the most useful upgrade to purchase. I've read where people swore by the chromed BCG. I've also read what seemed very practical advice as ammo and buis. I don't really consider that an upgrade but a necessity. Thoughts? Suggestions?

Most useful upgrade depends on what you use the gun for and what you want. I know some that run their guns very hard recommend getting a bolt that is "Magnetic Particle Inspected" and keeping the stock one as spare; I don't.

I agree with the others in that I don't see a lot of advantage to a chromed BCG, except easier to clean. I'm not an expert on such things, it may be the most needed upgrade ever???. First thing when cleaning, I drop the whole bolt in a olive jar of cleaning solution. By the time the rest of the gun is clean, the bolt cleans up very easily. I always disassemble the bolt, because it's fun;)

Agree, Ammo is necessary:) Now we've got the largest expense out of the way:), the 3 small things I've done to my M&P15OR that I consider "good bang for the buck" are:

My upper to lower fitment was a little looser than I like, so "Accu Wedge":
Accu Wedge - Black Rifle Works

If you don't want to replace the whole trigger guard, but want to fill that annoying space the middle finger rests against, "the gapper":
The Gapper - Black Rifle Works

If you have the original 6 position stock, and want a quick disconnet sling, the MI #10 Rear Sling Mount:
Midwest Industries MCTAR-10

If you need to spend more, I recommend optics (I have EOTech but there are so many great ways to spend a lot of money here), YHM front sight gas blocks, and more ammo. I like these:
Federal 223 Rem 55 gr FMJ American Eagle 1000/box - Natchez Shooters Supplies

Sorry, I'm bored tonight and may have had too much fun with this.:D
 
A very similar question was posted on another AR15 site, and this was my response:

Worthwhile upgrades to a M&P15...

A properly staked M-16 BCG (the heavier M-16 BCG will help reduce felt recoil) Sprinco Blue Spring Kit (includes an action spring and an extractor spring for your bolt) H2 buffer

When you change to a M-16 BCG, you really should improve the spring and get a heavier buffer at the same time to avoid recoil problems, and that's why I recommend the spring kit and buffer. Expect to spend about $200 for all three items. This worked in *my* MOE.

Addendum to original text: There are several special coatings available, but in the end, they don't really enhance the functionality of the rifle or the efficiency of the action itself. A standard coating on a BCG will be sufficient (that's what's on your M&P). Like I said, the special coatings only make cleaning a bit easier. Is that worth the extra cash? Not in my opinion, but that's just *my* opinion.


I would also recommend upgrading your trigger. Sometimes, you can get away with just changing to lighter springs (JP Enterprises sells spring kits for $9). This worked in *my* MOE.

If you want more weight on the trigger than the 3.5 pounds afforded by the JP springs, get a Spikes Tactical "battle trigger" for $54. It consists of a complete fire control group and results in a 6# trigger, as opposed to the 10-12# trigger in your S&W. I have one of these trigger groups in my homemade AR because the JP springs were too light, and it feels good enough that I want to put the same trigger in my MOE. Since neither of my ARs are match-grade rifles, I see absolutely no point in buying foo-foo triggers that can cost hundreds of dollars.

Finally, get a set of KNS anti-walk/rotation pins (about $32). Some will say you don't need this item on most ARs, but rack the bolt, hold the rifle up so you're looking at the hammer pin on the lower receiver, and pull the trigger. The pin will rotate at least a 1/4 turn, and this will wear out your hammer pin hole (steel pin + aluminum lower = wobbled hole).

After you've done all that, the rifle will cycle smoother, recoil softer, and fire more reliably/smoothly.

As an aside, my MOE was working fine before I did all that stuff. Mostly, anything you do to an MOE is feel-good stuff. I feel really good about my MOE. :)

Addendum to original message: Someone mentioned an accuwedge, and I've never heard of that being needed in a S&W. My upper/lower fitment is very tight with no wiggle at all, but my homemade AR did have wiggle. Instead of using an accuwedge, I used a set of YHM quick-takedown pins, and it tightened up the fit quite a bit (but now all of it). It still wiggles a bit, but that's not going to hurt anything.

There's also a much cheaper way to address receiver fitment. Just put an o-ring on the upper receiver lug (the lug that the front takedown pin goes through).

The only other upgrade that will affect how well your rifle shoots is a floating hand-guard. That gives you several options regarding configuration, but thta's a discussion best left for another thread.
 
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CBR-Ive got a smith m4 that fits real tight but my recently purchased Sabre upper is loose in my Smith lower and that accuwedge doesnt come close to even clearing the rear pin holes. Do they come in different sizes but I dont think so. thanks for any info
 
CBR-Ive got a smith m4 that fits real tight but my recently purchased Sabre upper is loose in my Smith lower and that accuwedge doesnt come close to even clearing the rear pin holes. Do they come in different sizes but I dont think so. thanks for any info

Well no "Accu Wedge" I've bought has had any directions, so I may be wrong; but it seemed to me that they have no idea exactly how big it needs to be, so they make it huge, and you cut it to fit.

It sits on the flat end of it's cylinder like part, with the pointy part sticking straight up the back of the lower. Take a sharp blade and cut off a slice off the bottomof the "cylinder like" part. Too tight, another slice. That what I did with the first one, now I know what fits, so I'll cut the next one close (but a little big) then adjust to fit. Hope this makes sense, seems I've used a lot of words to describe something simple:o.

My S&W M&P15 OR had a bit much play for me, but one of these holds it nice and tight.
 
Best upgrade is...

Thanks for your opinions. At this point I'm wondering what is the most useful upgrade to purchase. I've read where people swore by the chromed BCG. I've also read what seemed very practical advice as ammo and buis. I don't really consider that an upgrade but a necessity. Thoughts? Suggestions?

Usually more ammo, and range time to go with it. Some instruction in a carbine class could even prove more valuable to you in the long run, ymmv.

If you don't have a spares kit I'd suggest a spare bolt from Bravo Co., and a lpk to provide spares on most of the small parts.

But, if you're looking to get good with your gun, ammo and range time are probably the best investment you could make.

And, as one well known poster on arfcom has opined, "You can't have too much ammo unless you're swimming or on fire."

;)
 
Well no "Accu Wedge" I've bought has had any directions, so I may be wrong; but it seemed to me that they have no idea exactly how big it needs to be, so they make it huge, and you cut it to fit.

It sits on the flat end of it's cylinder like part, with the pointy part sticking straight up the back of the lower. Take a sharp blade and cut off a slice off the bottomof the "cylinder like" part. Too tight, another slice. That what I did with the first one, now I know what fits, so I'll cut the next one close (but a little big) then adjust to fit. Hope this makes sense, seems I've used a lot of words to describe something simple:o.

My S&W M&P15 OR had a bit much play for me, but one of these holds it nice and tight.

Because S&W use a lower receiver with a high shelf, I found you have to take almost all of the bottom of your accuwedge off. I find the wedge helps a bit but not as much as in other AR's that use a lower shelf in the receiver.
 
I saw one for $130 with free shipping on eagle armory. Last time I was at the range a guy had one and said they were great and fantastic and could sing the star spangled banner. O.k. maybe not that last one but he was singing it's praises.

I know that S&W M&P 15's all have a chrome lined BCG, so is it necessary or worth upgrading to a fully chrome BCG?

Maybe as a replacement after the original is worn beyond repair.....although I've yet to wear out the standard one after a good 8-10,000 trouble free rounds, and don't expect to for many tens of thousands more. I certainly wouldn't swap the standard one out for no reason, as it works just great as is.
 
The one thing I never liked about the AR platform was cleaning the bolt carrier. As an experiment I took the bolt and carrier out of my favorite Eagle Arms (ArmaLite) carbine and sent it to Robar for their NP3 electroless nickle finish. Apprantly I'm not alone as Robar says they do a lot of them. Now cleaning the bolt and carrier is a breeze and the NP3 with the inbedded teflon requires much less lubrication. I'm glad I did the Robar finish, it made a good rifle even better.
 
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