Is it time to let the Chinese back into the American Ammo and Reloading Market?

[pdg45acp]

Back in the late 80s or early 90s, I don't remember for sure, the Chinese were blocked or banned from the US firearms and Ammo markets by either Congress or the Prez, I don't remember the details but I'm sure it was because the American firearms and ammo manufacturers were afraid of losing out to the Chinese. They were certainly justified in worrying about that.

Things are different now, American and foreign manufacturers simply can't keep up with the demand created by the fear and uncertainty of today.

I think it's time to let the Chinese back into the American Ammo and Reloading components market. It might ruffle a few feathers but it will bring some sanity back into the pricing and availability of ammo and components.

What do you guys think?

 

[OKFC05]

A permanent solution to a temporary problem always worries me, especially when it involves a coutry ruled by a dictatorship having the money and ability to underprice goods and drive US companies out of business. Want to try the next shortage with NO US ammunition plants?

 

[cddanjr]

Nah, if you cant weather the storm of US manufacturers/politics struggle, that is no reason to open the market to Chinese products.

IMHO that is what is wrong with the economy. Chinese junk flooding walmart and other low price stores. Insanely low prices, insanely low wages, insane poverty in the richest country in the world.

Chuck

 

[Alnamvet68]

In answer to the OP's question, ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!! Blame the hoarders, the survivalists, the supremacy gangs, doomsday loons, et al. The shortage is market dependent...here in Virginia, I get all that I need, when I need it, and in all calibers.

 

[Arik]

Chinese firearm 'goods' were outlawed because Norinco opened a import company here in the US (their own middleman sorta speak) and imported illegal full auto AKs that they then sold out the back door to LA gang members. To be fair they also imported perfectly legal firearms. Thats what got them shot down.

When they were importing it was actually quality made, not to be confused with W-Mart good now. Their firearms were well made using quality steel and wood. Their AKs are still some of the best one around even after all this time.....so long as Bubba didnt get a hold if it.

Their stuff, along with some Russian stuff, is banned by name and function in exchange for favorable trade status. It aint gonna happen no matter how much we want it to.

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[scooter123]

Considering China's recent history of poor quality and importing actually dangerous products into the US I would NOT ever consider purchasing ammunition produced in China. I also wouldn't ever consider the purchase of ammunition produced in Pakistan, which currently seems to be making the rounds at local gun shows. Sorry, but I've seen the videos of children hand assembling ammunition in back alley shops using hammers and similar stone age implements.

 

[25elk]

Well, since CA is trying to romance the Chinese into buying part of the state, I wouldn't be so sure it couldn't happen. CA is totally bankrupt as a state and desperate for a solution as the current federal administration probably can't pull off a total bail out since even the freeloaders are starting to feel their livelihood might be in jeopardy.

 

[don5]

I own a norinco 1911 copy. It got some pretty good reviews at the time. It shoots nice and everything can be replaced with regular 1911 parts. I also bought some norinco 223 ammo because of the ongoing ban( back in 93), that was all I could find. In any event, I hate to say this but it shoots good, boxer primed and reloadable. Of course the Chinese were probably held to a higher standard back then. I remember when customs turned away a ship that was carrying like 400000 AK 47's. You guys remember that? It seemed like everyone back then was buying an AK.

 

[Arik]

I have a Norinco 1911 as well! So far reliability of a Glock with the same amount of cleaning and abuse. Their frames and slides are better steel then what US 1911 manufacturers use. The internals are so-so. Excellent specimen for Wilson BP parts and night sighs

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[Alnamvet68]

I have a Norinco 1911 as well! So far reliability of a Glock with the same amount of cleaning and abuse. Their frames and slides are better steel then what US 1911 manufacturers use. The internals are so-so. Excellent specimen for Wilson BP parts and night sighs

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Never happen, but you are entitled to your beliefs.

 

[kozmic]

Might just as well....they put lead in everything the sell us anyway!

 

[Arik]

Never happen, but you are entitled to your beliefs.

Every smith Ive taken my to to get the slide cut for night sights all told me only if i buy the cutting tools

The steel they used is 5100 vs the 4100 used by most manufacturers.

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[gm272gs]

In an effort to eschew obfuscation, my response would be "no".

 

[mstuhr]

Not the responsible party

In answer to the OP's question, ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!! Blame the hoarders, the survivalists, the supremacy gangs, doomsday loons, et al. The shortage is market dependent...here in Virginia, I get all that I need, when I need it, and in all calibers.

Hi Alnamvet,
I don't want to get dinged, but I don't see the party responsible listed in your post.
We are not even allowed to get WWII era rifles returned that are owed to us.
If Chinese ammo was a good idea it would not be allowed at this time.
Thanks
Mike

 

[perrazi]

at the time, norinco 1911 was the only frame and slide, except for colt, that was forged steel. they have been the basis for many custom competition and carry guns. they used to be the cheapest way to have a custom since you throw away everything but the slide and frame. not anymore though.

 

[Arik]

at the time, norinco 1911 was the only frame and slide, except for colt, that was forged steel. they have been the basis for many custom competition and carry guns. they used to be the cheapest way to have a custom since you throw away everything but the slide and frame. not anymore though.

In a way they still are. I got my 2.5 years ago for $200 because it was "Chinese"

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[Steve in Vermont]

Just what we need, another item marked "Made in China". That's one reason we lost so many jobs in this country. We wanted to pay the cheapest price possible, irregardless of how many Americans lost their jobs.

 

[Brian41]

One thing I never see addressed is the liabitity of foreign made goods should something happen. What happens say should a Chinese gun and ammo should blow up in your face? Who do you sue, the importer?
I'd think such matters would be simpler with US made products which I try and buy anyway. I've always wondered about this when I buy Russian ammo for my Makarovs.

 

[labworm]

Just what we need, another item marked "Made in China". That's one reason we lost so many jobs in this country. We wanted to pay the cheapest price possible, irregardless of how many Americans lost their jobs.

Read and read his post again.

Eventually some in this country will understand that China loves all your money, but is not your friend.

 

[Alnamvet68]

at the time, norinco 1911 was the only frame and slide, except for colt, that was forged steel. they have been the basis for many custom competition and carry guns. they used to be the cheapest way to have a custom since you throw away everything but the slide and frame. not anymore though.

Springfield Armory 1911's, manufactured by Imbel in Brazil, has used nothing but forged steels for all their 1911's, frames and slides, since day one. Ruger, Caspian, and many others use cast frames. Like MIM parts, I have a differing perspective on the use of non-forged and machined parts for guns, but that's another thread topic.