Is there a decent self defense round for the M&P 22 Compact?
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Targets Guy
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What I will say is that it is better than nothing. CCI Stinger and Mini-Mag's have a good rep. With a .22lr shot placement is absolutely critical. They don't hit hard compared to .380, 9mm, etc. but they can kill.
Triathloncoach
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Its a gun. If you are forced to shoot someone in self defense all the bad guy will be thinking about is "I don't want to get shot again"
I would suggest a high-velocity 40-grain solid point. With the understanding that this is not a 45 auto, that little solid point has a tendency to get in there and wander around.
THE PILGRIM
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Me two.
I favor 40 Grain Solid MiniMags for Defensive use.
The Hollow Points out of short barrel guns probably won’t mushroom.
So I take the penetration.
I favor 40 Grain Solid MiniMags for Defensive use.
The Hollow Points out of short barrel guns probably won’t mushroom.
So I take the penetration.
Jim Watson
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Mine is 100% on MiniMags.
If I could get enough Velocitors to give it a thorough trial, it would be a worthwhile increase in power. But I'd have to have a lot more than the one box I splurged on.
If I could get enough Velocitors to give it a thorough trial, it would be a worthwhile increase in power. But I'd have to have a lot more than the one box I splurged on.
VaTom
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CCI Velocitors are the same length as Mini-Mags. Only the Stingers are the longer case. You can shoot Stingers in an M&P 15-22 rifle except not the performance center models.
I carry Velocitors in my Ruger SR22 when I carry it in the woods while fishing.
I don't ever recall having a misfire / dud in any CCI .22LR ammo in a good quality and clean firearm.
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I carry Velocitors in my Ruger SR22 when I carry it in the woods while fishing.
I don't ever recall having a misfire / dud in any CCI .22LR ammo in a good quality and clean firearm.
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CCI is the most reliable I've ever shot. I prefer high velocity.
For self defense... it really doesn't matter if you shoot Stinger or Velocitor. Both have enough energy to penetrate the cloths and ribcage. If you hit rib, both will break the bone and stop in the tissue.
Both - CCI Stinger and Velocitor will stop within the body, without over penetration.
As ziggidy mentioned, Federal Punch Flat Nose might be a good option, but I cannot tell anything about it - I have never shot it.
For self defense... it really doesn't matter if you shoot Stinger or Velocitor. Both have enough energy to penetrate the cloths and ribcage. If you hit rib, both will break the bone and stop in the tissue.
Both - CCI Stinger and Velocitor will stop within the body, without over penetration.
As ziggidy mentioned, Federal Punch Flat Nose might be a good option, but I cannot tell anything about it - I have never shot it.
THE PILGRIM
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Federal Punch, you say?
If I could find some I would try it.
In my Beretta 21a and other small 22s.
If I could find some I would try it.
In my Beretta 21a and other small 22s.
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Back in the early days when I had just started out carrying a gun, I chose a Walther PPK/S-22 loaded with CCI Mini Mag 40gr CPB, namely because it cycled 100% reliably and pentrated deep enough in Ballistics Gel Tests to be effective.
I've heard that Velocitors are the best, but I've never shot them, so I can't comment on their reliability.
The only ammo I would advise you to steer clear of is Remington Golden Bullet, which was unreliable, extremely dirty, and once got stuck in the chamber.
I've heard that Velocitors are the best, but I've never shot them, so I can't comment on their reliability.
The only ammo I would advise you to steer clear of is Remington Golden Bullet, which was unreliable, extremely dirty, and once got stuck in the chamber.
I'm wondering who came with this name for that ammo.
It is indeed "Golden Bullet".. but I'm guessing it works in Golden Firearm only.
But seriously I second Forte Smitten Wesson. This ammo is good for any kind of malfunction drills only.
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Yes ... 9mm
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Check out Paul Harrell's youtube videos--he shoots Federal Punch, Winchester Silvertip, CCI Stingers, Minimags and Remington Vipers out of a bunch of .22 pistols. Those videos, in my opinion, provide a lot of information regarding rimfire performance.
Papa_D
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I've never fired them from a handgun, but outta my Savage 62F, the .22lr Aguila Super Extra rounds are pretty dang good.
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Paraphrasing Territorial Governor Lew Wallace -
He wrote Ben Hur -
"All calculations based on our experiences elsewhere fail in New Mexico." - Lew Wallace.
Transferring 22 Ammo experiences from Rifles to Revolvers is probably valid.
But when you move to the Small Autos, it’s a Brave New World!
He wrote Ben Hur -
"All calculations based on our experiences elsewhere fail in New Mexico." - Lew Wallace.
Transferring 22 Ammo experiences from Rifles to Revolvers is probably valid.
But when you move to the Small Autos, it’s a Brave New World!
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If I had to carry a 22 for self defense it would be my S&W 22 Compact loaded with 40 grain, round nose, CCI Minimags. If I had to use a 22 for home defense it would be my S&W 617 loaded also loaded with Minimags.
A 22 doesn't have enough power to both expand and penetrate deeply enough to be effective, particularly out of handgun length barrel. What matters most in a 22 is how reliable the round will be. More than any other caliber 22 semiautos tend to be very picky about what round they function reliably with. As a general rule (with some exceptions) I have found that if a 22 will not run reliably with Minimags it probably will not run well with any other type of ammo.
My 22 Compact is the most reliable and least picky 22 pistol I have ever owned. It has been very reliable with any type of high velocity ammo I have tried except for the dud and weak rounds you get with some brands of bulk ammo. But if I had to carry a 22 I would want the most reliable 22 pistol I own loaded with what I have found to be the most reliable 22 ammo. A 22 compact loaded with Minimags.
I would prefer my 617 over the 22 Compact for home defense because I shoot it much better and it has the same 10 round capacity as the 22 Compact. But it is too big and heavy to be a carry gun.
I have better options for both carry and home defense than a 22. But as I get older my guns seem to have more recoil than they used to. Probably because I cannot grip them as hard. I hope I don't get to the point I can no longer shoot the larger calibers well but if I do I will not hesitate to use a 22. It is a whole lot better than nothing.
A 22 doesn't have enough power to both expand and penetrate deeply enough to be effective, particularly out of handgun length barrel. What matters most in a 22 is how reliable the round will be. More than any other caliber 22 semiautos tend to be very picky about what round they function reliably with. As a general rule (with some exceptions) I have found that if a 22 will not run reliably with Minimags it probably will not run well with any other type of ammo.
My 22 Compact is the most reliable and least picky 22 pistol I have ever owned. It has been very reliable with any type of high velocity ammo I have tried except for the dud and weak rounds you get with some brands of bulk ammo. But if I had to carry a 22 I would want the most reliable 22 pistol I own loaded with what I have found to be the most reliable 22 ammo. A 22 compact loaded with Minimags.
I would prefer my 617 over the 22 Compact for home defense because I shoot it much better and it has the same 10 round capacity as the 22 Compact. But it is too big and heavy to be a carry gun.
I have better options for both carry and home defense than a 22. But as I get older my guns seem to have more recoil than they used to. Probably because I cannot grip them as hard. I hope I don't get to the point I can no longer shoot the larger calibers well but if I do I will not hesitate to use a 22. It is a whole lot better than nothing.
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VaTom
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Here is a visual of Mini-Mags, Velocitors, and Stingers. (Back during the last shortage, I was able to pick up a lot of Stingers at regular prices. Must have a couple of hundred rounds.) Left to right - Mini-Mags, Velocitors, and Stingers. Note the longer casing of the stinger.
