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Saw in another topic that a new law will take effect in Feb., 2011, banning interstate sales of handgun ammo to individuals.

Is this an Internet rumor, or true?


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I'm so happy that I live in the People's Republic of California. This new law will certainly put a stop to all crime in the state.

The only people who will benefit from this are the gun stores. We will have to buy at their inflated prices or do without. However, I have a cunning plan. I have a friend in Nevada who comes over to visit his family once a month. I can have things sent to him, and he can bring it with him on his next trip. The oldest son of another friend lives in Arizona. We can have stuff sent to him, and he can bring it the next time he flys in on his private plane.

I just hope the pending lawsuits are successful. In the meantime, I am acquiring reloading stuff to keep me busy and happy. If the lawsuits are nor successful, well, as my father used to say, "There's more than one way to skin a cat."
 
I live in Sandy Eggo KA, and I have been following this law since its inception. I order my range ammunition from Mastercast, a topnotch reloading outfit. If the rain hurts the rhubarb, come February next, I will have to have it sent to my range/gunstore. I will then be fingerprinted and background checked each time I get a shipment. Oh yeah, and pay a $25 fee for the fingerprinting and background check.

The Los Angeles politician who introduced the bill that resulted in the law (AS962 if memory serves) has done so every legislative session for the last several years by my observation. Something of a single issue fellow. Well, he got it approved and signed. And yes, it becomes law in February.

Except . . . in federal courts there are two lawsuits active to stop AS962 in its tracks, and one of them has the NRA as a plaintiff. The primary legal precedent in the recent Supreme Court decisions that the Second Amendment applies to individuals, not to militia. But the real pivot is "interstate commerce", which federal court decisions over decades has come to mean just about anything that goes from one state to another. AS962 is intended to restrict interstate commerce into California. At some point before February next, I would expect one of the federal judges involved to stick AS962 into his frig while things get sorted out as to who governs interstate commerce, and who cannot.

Cordially, Jack
 
Where did the $25 come from -Are you saying that your local gun store is going to charge you this to receive your ammo?

I haven't seen anything about a background check other than for gun shop employees. Do you have a source ?
 
Fingerprinting for "handgun ammo" purchase I hear is part of this law too. Our local Sheriff is joining NRA in the fight against this law.
 
JayDubya said:
I live in Sandy Eggo KA, and I have been following this law since its inception. I order my range ammunition from Mastercast, a topnotch reloading outfit. If the rain hurts the rhubarb, come February next, I will have to have it sent to my range/gunstore. I will then be fingerprinted and background checked each time I get a shipment. Oh yeah, and pay a $25 fee for the fingerprinting and background check.

The Los Angeles politician who introduced the bill that resulted in the law (AS962 if memory serves) has done so every legislative session for the last several years by my observation. Something of a single issue fellow. Well, he got it approved and signed. And yes, it becomes law in February.

Except . . . in federal courts there are two lawsuits active to stop AS962 in its tracks, and one of them has the NRA as a plaintiff. The primary legal precedent in the recent Supreme Court decisions that the Second Amendment applies to individuals, not to militia. But the real pivot is "interstate commerce", which federal court decisions over decades has come to mean just about anything that goes from one state to another. AS962 is intended to restrict interstate commerce into California. At some point before February next, I would expect one of the federal judges involved to stick AS962 into his frig while things get sorted out as to who governs interstate commerce, and who cannot.

Cordially, Jack
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Are you sarcastically abbreviating Kaliforniia, or are you in Kansas? I think the abb. for that state is KS?

Just checking. I want to be sure that this villainy is limited to CA. But what begins there or in NY sometimes oozes out into the rest of the nation.

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"Are you sarcastically abbreviating Kaliforniia?"

Yes, I live in San Diego, CA. Sorry about that. Regarding the question on background checks, even though I am not an employee of my range/gunstore, I've had three of them, two when I purchased handguns and one when S&W fixed my 637 Airweight by replacing the entire frame -- along with a new serial number. Hence the third background check. $25 is a typical charge by an FFA to handle weapons for customers. Since the procedures are about the same, I expect the price to be also.

Cordially, Jack
 
California Gov. Arnold Schwartzenegger did not sign, but did not veto, AB962, the Mail Order Ammo Ban. Since California has no pocket veto, that means the bill becomes law without his signature.

This means that, as of 1 Feb 2011, all handgun ammunition sales in California will require a face-to-face transaction between buyer and seller, and sellers will have to obtain a thumbprint and other data from the buyer.
 
You have described correctly how it works in disfunctional California. However, I believe I saw TV footage of Gov. Schwartznegger signing AB962. Small point; either way it's a done deal. Now we must await the courts.

Cordially, Jack
 
I think if I lived in the PRK and purchased a lot of ammo online I would get a mail/shipping drop in Reno, or Vegas or other cross border location convenient to me. If I lived in Sacramento say, Reno would be fairly convenient. I understand this would not work for everyone.
 
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If you think about it there is a up side to this.The state of California just gave all of you a good reason to spend a weekend in Reno/Sparks. Pick up supply of ammo, see a show, enjoy a little of Scotland's best, get a bet down, and enjoy life. Then you can be home in time to go to work on Monday morning.

Sometimes you gotta look for the bright side of things.
 
I think the politicians who dream up these laws are pretty clueless about what actually stops crime. Criminals have no problem getting whatever weapon they want as we well know. Just look at Mexico where firearms are basically illegal to own except for a few on ranches and special other circumstances. Yet, the Cartel and Mafia plus the banditos have an unlimited supply of weapons and Mexico has become a failed State. You would think politicians would do their homework to a degree that makes long term sense. And, by banning assault weapons in CA tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of law abiding CA citizens have purchased AR and AK style weapons now. The result is a huge increase in assault style weapons.

For every action there is a reaction and politicians have fouled their own laws by making senseless ones. Go figure. I now envision many law abiding citizens going to NV or AZ to purchase bulk ammo by the thousands of rounds. Another CA law that will not work ready to be implemented in 2011.
 
ColColt said:
I think it's time you fellers moved to TN!!:)
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Only if they don't bring their neighbors that voted those politicians into office with them. :eek:

I'd hate to see the state of my birth get any more screwed up than it already is.... :D

John
 
I wouldn't be surprised much if at a Federal level they try to bring back the 'bound book' record of ammo sales FFLs had to keep that came about in the orig GCA68.
There was no NICS check for FFL sales then,,but now perhaps with a re-introduction an dealer could be forced to do a bk/ground check for ammo sales as well.
That's one thing they seem to be striving for with these State regs.

That reg went away in '86 with the Omnibus Crime Bill passage. It did nothing but cause more paperwork for the FFL and a PIA for the customers.

But good reasoning is not what comes from those who must get votes to keep their jobs.
 
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