It's hard to beat the old-time gun writers...

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I was musing today after going through the thread on Skeeter Skelton, that there just don't seem to be any modern gun writers that can hold a candle to the old timers. I'm talking style, wisdom, experience, honesty and accuracy in what they wrote.

In more or less chronological order, some of the old timers are:

Major Charles Askins, Sr.
Col. Townsend Whelen
W.H.B. Smith
E.C. Crossman
Phil Sharpe
Jack O'Connor
Elmer Keith
John Amber
Fred Datig
Major George Nonte
Bill Jordan
Col. Charles Askins, Jr.
Lt. Col. Jeff Cooper
Skeeter Skelton

I'm sure I've omitted a few from this list, but you get my drift. These guys talked from hard experience, and you could take what they wrote to the bank. In most cases, their wood still had the bark on it - their writings reflected honest fact and opinion, not trimmed, modified, watered down and smoothed out so as not to offend one of the magazine's big-money advertisers. They were not above writing just to stir things up (Charlie Askins, Jr. was notorious for this), but there was always authenticity behind their chuckles.

By and large, these were guys who had been there and done that, from the battlefields to the hunting fields, to the target lines. Their hands were not smooth but gnarled, and you could almost see, feel and smell in your mind the things they wrote about.

And they influenced us. From Skeeter's .44 specials to Cooper's .45 autos and Elmer's .44 maggies, we not only bought their logic, we bought their guns, loaded their loads, and packed their packs.

Who was the best of the best? I'll give you my opinion, and you may have yours.

I'll go with Jeff Cooper. He mixed experience, writing ability, historical knowledge, honesty, wisdom and class all in one package. In spite of his somewhat elitist approach to writing, he was actually a really down-to-earth guy. I treasure a letter he wrote to me when I sent him one of my early articles for critique. I think I've collected almost all of his books, and I remember reading a whole bunch of his articles in Guns & Ammo starting in the early '60s. He was one of the Real McCoys, but he had his faults. He could be a tad racist (along with Charlie Askins Jr.), and that poked through in his writings now and then. By the same token, he judged men by their actions. He hated political correctness, and was always quick to offer well-reasoned salty observations on the national scene. You couldn't help but want to applaud what he wrote. Much of it is still true today.

Once again, I don't think there is any modern writer who can measure up to the average stature of this bunch of guys. Agree or disagree?

John
 
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You nailed it! You and I are about the same age and probley read much of the same stuff. One counter point. We have pretty much read it all. A new writer cant come up with new material on old guns and ammo that us old gun enthusiasts havent read multable times before. I seldom read a gun magazine anymore. Even here I am mostly in the lounge for entertainment more than the other gun sections.
It`s kind of like church. When I was a kid my folks took me to church about three times a week. Now when I hear a sermon I have heard it multable times before. Its pretty hard for a new writer to impress us.
Now, I will bet that there are some young guys out there that have actualy shot more rounds and tried out more guns than a lot of those old writers did. But the romance of reading about the early guys is hard to overcome.
Its something like trying to watch the newer young actors in western movies. Us older guys just cant seem to get into it because in our minds none can beat our old heros like JW etc. We tend to dismiss the newer set. To me, even kurt russell is a newbie kid, and he is a good one!
 
I have to agree, I have always enjoyed articles in the older publications more than the articles in the current ones. One person I would add to the list is Ken Waters. Not a "Gun" writer per se but still one of the best.

Sam
 
I have to agree, I have always enjoyed articles in the older publications more than the articles in the current ones. One person I would add to the list is Ken Waters. Not a "Gun" writer per se but still one of the best.

Sam

I'm sure I didn't cover all the bases in my list. I just thought of Dean Grinnell, who wrote for Gun World for years. A really competent guy whose reloading tips were great. I still remember and use his "finger trick" to load the shell holder when I'm using a single stage press. You bring a shell up to the shell holder, holding it between your thumb and forefinger. You remove the existing shell from the shellholder between your forefinger and your middle finger (sometimes use to signal another's IQ), and slip the new shell in with your thumb. Saves a lot of time by cutting such motions in half. Experience counts.

John
 
I agree also, John. All excellent writers; each with their own style, their own favorites, and their own foibles. The one thing that they all shared was an ego of monumental size! Of course, that was a big factor in their success.

Bob
 
Dean Grinnell had a way with words to be both informative and entertaining ! One of the best in my book!
 
I agree with you completely, but I have to wonder if the Capt. Charles Nonte was the same one that I remember as Major George C. Nonte. he was one of the best of the old school gun writers before he died from a heart attack back around 1978 at age 52. I have several of his books and would sell my soul before I parted with any of them.

He didn't get into the one true gun thing and wrote about all of them but you could tell that he had a great love for the S&W M-39. he was widely known for his waxed mustache. Speaking of that famous mustache; I recall one of the other writers of the day; telling about the time they were all giving the new Hydro-Coil shotgun stock a try and George got one prong of his mustache caught in the stock which resulted in him being forced to amputate one of his handlebars. The good Maj. wasn't seen in public for several months after that. I feel his pain as I had the folding stock on my M-10 SMG take a bite out of some of my beautiful facial hair one time :D
 
I agree with all that's been said here. When those old guys wrote about a gun or a cartridge, I always had the feeling they had been working with it months or even years before they sat down at their Underwood's. The current bunch seem to shoot two boxes of ammo at the local range and then proceed tell all the world about it. Like most of you, I'll pass.

Ed
 
I have to agree, I have always enjoyed articles in the older publications more than the articles in the current ones. One person I would add to the list is Ken Waters. Not a "Gun" writer per se but still one of the best.

Sam

Who is Ken Waters???:D
 
I agree with you completely, but I have to wonder if the Capt. Charles Nonte was the same one that I remember as Major George C. Nonte. he was one of the best of the old school gun writers before he died from a heart attack back around 1978 at age 52. I have several of his books and would sell my soul before I parted with any of them.

Yep, one and the same. I messed up his first name and failed to promote him - many of his writings were when he was an Army captain. I actually met him at the 1970 World Shooting Championships in Phoenix, along with Bill Jordan, who was an NRA rep at the time. I wrote too fast without proofreading! I'll amend the OP. Thanks!

John
 
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While I have to admit that I have not read much of these writers (I was usually too busy reading Heinlein), I loved Jeff Cooper's writing. I didn't always agree with him and sometimes he just plain aggravated me. But I still remember something he wrote that is one of my favorite quotes regarding gun safety. He said, "Put not your faith in mechanical safeties. They will fail, often with disastrous results and it tends to scare the horses."

CW
 
For you youngsters I corresponded with Elmer from the time I was a kid...when I bought a 5 screw 44 in 11957. I saved all coreespondence. With the name of C Sharps he was quick to remember me. Visited numerous times and have all of his books autographed.
Regards C Sharps
 
I have become so disappointed with what the American Rifleman has to offer today as opposed to 20 years ago, that I wrote them and suggested they just rerun some of those old articles about collectible guns. I'm still waiting for a reply.
 
I have The Gun Digest Book Of 9mm Handguns on my bookshelf.
One of the authors is Dean Grennell.
Started me wondering if I'd remembered wrong when you wrote his name with a i.

I read all of them years ago and re-read them from time to time.
Skeeter was a favorite and I also liked Jack Lewis.
I read Keith and O'Connor and liked Jack a bit more than Elmer.
 
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The current crop of writers aren't worthy to carry the boots of almost everyone of those on John's list. Thanks John for trying to keep things in perspective.
 
Skeeter was always my favorite although I like all those on the list. Todays writers just can't compare to some of those old "masters". I worked up a lot of the loads Skeeter wrote about in "Shooting Times" some of which are down right scary by todays loading manuals but my old Ruger 3 screw still shoots them with no problem (just not as often).
 

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