ITS NOT THE GUN: Its YOU!

Silversmok3

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After seeing my thousand millionth thread on "my S&W is shooting low left", ive had enough of the "sending my defective gun to the factory" posts and wish to add some pointers as to why folks say its the shooter's fault.

One, if you own a handgun that's defective in terms of accuracy you will KNOW it. I do not mean low left with a tight group at 25 feet. I mean not hitting the target at all off a bench at 7 feet. If the handgun in question looks like a shotgun pattern at that distance, one has a case for saying the handgun is defective in some manner.

Two:NOT ALL HANDGUNS HANDLE THE SAME!

I don't care who makes it. I've been blessed to own several S&W 3rd Generation handguns, and they all handled *very*differently from one another. A grip which helps make accurate 3" groups from a 4566 generates ugly fliers from a 9mm 5906. Both weapons were made in the same building by the same company, but they don't handle alike. A thumbs forward grip on a full size M&P9 makes for nice close shots on the bulls eye. A thumbs forward grip on a 5904 results in me pulling the shots right.

It doesn't matter how well you shot gun X before. Unless the next weapon you own is exactly the same model, caliber, grip, and size as the last one, you may as well consider it a completely different gun and act accordingly. Subtle changes in grip can mean the difference between a tack driver and an inaccurate mess. Sometimes one just doesn't click ergonomically with a firearm. I like how the 4506 and 1006 look and handle, but ill never shoot them accurately because they twist in my paws as I shoot. Without modifications to the DA trigger or grip, I won't be able to shoot them nearly as well as my 5900 series models. Both guns in someone else's hands will be potential tack drivers, but in my mitts the last place any DA shot is going to go with those frames is where I aim it. Luck of the ergonomic draw, not "these guns are inaccurate".

Three:PRACTICE BEFORE PURCHASE.

I don't have any compensators, fancy barrels, or tuned firearms in my modest collection. I suspect it will be a long time before I do avail myself of the options for competition type weapons, being that I just don't have the skills to take advantage of it.Its like nails on a chalkboard everytime I go to the range and someone's talking about buying a "competition model" because their groups with the box-stock Glock in their range bag look like shotgun patterns. Truth of the matter is, that shooter would be better off buying $600 worth of ammo and range time , than $600 worth of modified triggers, hyper-accurate aftermarket barrels, and super-tactical-mega operator sights. That box stock Glock/S&W/whatever will outshoot 99% of people who handle it, including myself.

Just my personal theories, but a lot of gun accesory firms would be out of business if shooters honestly realized that the can't buy their way to marksmanship. No competition shooter ive ever heard of started off with a $3000 race gun.

If a shooter's having accuracy problems-and Im not immune to this dilemma myself-an honest appraisal of one's skills and some extra time at the range will do a lot more good than blowing stacks of money at the Apex trigger webpage and moaning about a "defective" firearm which is shooting exactly where the owner pointed it at when the shot broke.

End rant. :cool:
 
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Nicely worded and well said.

Someone on here is about to buy their first or 2nd handgun and I hope they read this.
 
Thanks for the time put into your post. I just agree and walk away from those that know it all, to enjoy the accuracy of my firearms with my shooting pards or myself. I'm just burned out on on people that flap their gums instead of deploying their ears. Oh, I'm from close to you...kinda. Where do you hang your shingle Silversmok3? I'm East River.
 
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Don't golfers buy new clubs because they can't play like Tiger Woods used to?

I'm still looking for the perfect 1911 45 ACP, but I've found about a dozen really good ones that do shoot the radom flyer. It can't be me can it? The truth hurts, I'll stop buying new guns.
 
THANK YOU! Glad someone finally said it. There may be people out there that can out-shoot their handgun but, I've never met one of those people.
When I hear someone say, "that pistol is really accurate", I know that they are really saying, "I shoot that gun better than I do other guns". Some guns "fit" us better than others and we therefore shoot them better but, the difference is rarely due to the accuracy of the gun. JMHO.
 
Best part of the post:
"I don't have any compensators, fancy barrels, or tuned firearms in my modest collection. I suspect it will be a long time before I do avail myself of the options for competition type weapons, being that I just don't have the skills to take advantage of it.Its like nails on a chalkboard everytime I go to the range and someone's talking about buying a "competition model" because their groups with the box-stock Glock in their range bag look like shotgun patterns. Truth of the matter is, that shooter would be better off buying $600 worth of ammo and range time , than $600 worth of modified triggers, hyper-accurate aftermarket barrels, and super-tactical-mega operator sights. That box stock Glock/S&W/whatever will outshoot 99% of people who handle it, including myself."

Spend your money on training and ammo. Practice, shoot, train and then do it some more.
 
What gets me is those complainers who just can't believe it is them. They always seem to claim that they have been shooting for 30 years, are an NRA Master, and they had a local pistol champion shoot their gun with the same results. Sorry guy, if you are shooting 8 inches low and left at 7 yards it's NOT the sights, it's the person holding the gun.

Personally I've found that shooting a handgun isn't an all easy. It's a real skill and it takes steady practice to maintain that skill. IMO the simple answer to these posts is to gently suggest that more time spent practicing will likely yield far better results than any number of trips to the factory.
 
Just when you are thinking to yourself, "man I'm shooting well today, look at that group...flyer. It's like God's little way of inserting humility, lol.

I agree with your top end custom gun theory too, I have some I bought early on, I'll never shoot well enough to justify them, only 1 in a 1000 guys will. Anything above a top end factory pistol is a waste for most people unless it's bought for the thrill of having the best, JMO.

But I do have this one gun that always shoots a tight group just to the right of bullseye....lol...it must be the gun!!
 
You know sometimes it is the sites. A friend had a P228 shooting just left of the Bulleye. I tried it and had the same issue. Now he shot my P228 on target as did I. Borrowed a sight pusher from the range, made a minor adjustment and his was now shooting to POA. Until then he thought it was just him but since he did not do it with my pistol and I did it with his, the site became the suspect.
Now I agree with the OP. All of my guns shoot better than me but some I can drive tacks with and others I have to concentrate to hit anything.
 
I agree that "most" of the time it is the individual and not the firearm. There can be accuracy improvements with better trigger jobs. A nice crisp clean tuned trigger certainly helps over a heavy creeping trigger. Sure you can get used to or better with the lousy trigger but perhaps not as good as with the better trigger.
I can not agree that a heavy DA trigger is as accurate as a light SA. Can you get proficient with the heavy DA, sure. But it takes more work and time.

For the average shooter it's more about practice. For Comp shooters the finely tuned guns seem to make a difference.
 
I know I won't hit the bullseye all the time but I hit the target all the time and it's not even life sized. I didn't try to hit the bullseye but I did aim for it and I was practicing drawing the bead and fire over and over as in SD situations.

I bought the guns for SD not for match competitions. ;)
 
Great thread and very true. A great example from my own experience...I'm no bullseye marksman, but I do pretty well with most Smith revolvers in DA or in SA. I do okay with 1911s too...but I cannot come close to that accuracy with my Sigs or my HK USP. I SWEAR I'm using the same mechanics and concentrating on the front sight and trigger, but I just can't make them work as well...I know the guns are accurate and that it is something about the way I pull (yank) the blasted triggers!
 
If you bench rested your gun you can test the accuracy of it.

What I did with my Sig P250c 40sw.



This is from the Weaver stance.



So I know it's me. :rolleyes:
 
I know I won't hit the bullseye all the time but I hit the target all the time and it's not even life sized. I didn't try to hit the bullseye but I did aim for it and I was practicing drawing the bead and fire over and over as in SD situations.

I bought the guns for SD not for match competitions. ;)

Same here, I practice for 3-4 inch groups center mass, at speed from 3-25 yards. That's about all I worry about. Some of my friends are bullseye shooters, it takes all of us to keep our sport.
 

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