Bikemobile
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Aurora theater shooting mass casualty incident
Be aware be vigilent.
Aurora theater shooting mass casualty incident
Be aware be vigilent.
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Its your duty to concealed carry (aurora theater shooting)
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I would agree that it is my "duty" to CC for my family and my protection...not for anyone else's. Yes....one could "possibly" made a difference...doubtful since he was wearing a vest. One could have done more harm by hitting innocent bystanders in the process. By returning fire...you are drawing attention to yourself and your family....not good when he is protected and carrying 3 guns......! Not a time to play batman.
G.T. Smith
US Veteran
And try to avoid those places that don't allow concealed weapons.
If someone did pull and kill the gunman, there's a chance his new neighbor's name could be Zimmerman or something like that. Although the allowance of legally concealed weapons in a theater may be a deterrent to a would be killer. I'd say a well planned shooting spree would include making sure you held the weapons. But then again if a person is that ate up, nothing is gonna stop an attempt.
Be safe, please,
gordon
If someone did pull and kill the gunman, there's a chance his new neighbor's name could be Zimmerman or something like that. Although the allowance of legally concealed weapons in a theater may be a deterrent to a would be killer. I'd say a well planned shooting spree would include making sure you held the weapons. But then again if a person is that ate up, nothing is gonna stop an attempt.
Be safe, please,
gordon
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fonejack54
US Veteran
I agree. One or more persons carrying could have made such a difference. No one is talking about playing Batman, but protecting others WHILE protecting your family.
The problem is, the liberals always scream to "get rid of all guns" like that would work as good as "let's get rid of drugs". You will never convince liberals that to stop this, first we need to recognize and treat the mentally ill in this country and that with a firm majority carrying concealed weapons will reduce carnage.
The problem is, the liberals always scream to "get rid of all guns" like that would work as good as "let's get rid of drugs". You will never convince liberals that to stop this, first we need to recognize and treat the mentally ill in this country and that with a firm majority carrying concealed weapons will reduce carnage.
OP
Bikemobile
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Agree, carry to protect yourself and your family. What if you had the chance to take down the shooter?
If I had the chance to take down the shooter without endangering anyone else I would take the shot. But remember, If you fail and draw attention to yourself and family...well...don't want to go there.
In a restaurant environment like the Texas Luby's situation, one would have a chance. Unfortunately, this situation wouldn't have made a difference, other than a CCW carrier causing a distraction, since the shooter was wearing Body Armor with Neck Protection, Helmet, Leg Shields, etc... Not to mention that he 1st set off a gas canister for effect.
Add in that panic ensued and you had other innocents bolting around inhibiting any clear shot one might have, bad lighting and more, not much one of us could do, other than try to keep our loved ones covered and try for a secondary exit.
JMHO
(Why is this in the M&P Sub-Forum?)
Add in that panic ensued and you had other innocents bolting around inhibiting any clear shot one might have, bad lighting and more, not much one of us could do, other than try to keep our loved ones covered and try for a secondary exit.
JMHO
(Why is this in the M&P Sub-Forum?)
OP
Bikemobile
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Body armor does not make you invincible. Im not saying that i could have made a difference but i know that i would have tried if i had the chance. I would have taken a shot or 8. I have a sworn duty to protect others lives, in uniform or not.
Truly a tragedy. Scary stuff.
Truly a tragedy. Scary stuff.
Being an LEO one would expect you to try to stop the shooter...but not the average citizen....big difference. On another note...thanks for what you do.
IF I HAD A CHANCE, I'd throw the wife on the floor, draw and empty the mag of my 6906 at the perp's melon since he's up on the stage, lit by the projector, and firing into the seats. But the fact is I would NEVER be at the MIDNIGHT opening show of ANY movie. Joe
Beachcomber
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While I agree with what you're saying... and I hope that you (and I) never have to make that decision.
A thing to keep in mind is that you as an LEO (unlike many other non-LEO/non-Military forum members) know how to recognize and react to a perpetrator that you suspect is wearing body armor. Whereas many forum members with the courage to "stand and fight" will have less knowledge in dealing with this issue and could unknowingly become sacrificial heroes.
Stay Safe!
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For what it's worth, Cinemark Theaters had a "No Guns" policy.
Cinemark Theaters' No Firearms Policy | The Truth About GunsThe Truth About Guns
As usual, those policies are only followed by the law-abiding. The "law-abiding" quickly turn into "the victims" when someone chooses to ignore the theater policy and prey on the innocent, unsuspecting, and unarmed.
It is not entirely a coincidence that incidents like these occur at places like schools, college campuses, malls, and theaters.
Cinemark Theaters' No Firearms Policy | The Truth About GunsThe Truth About Guns
As usual, those policies are only followed by the law-abiding. The "law-abiding" quickly turn into "the victims" when someone chooses to ignore the theater policy and prey on the innocent, unsuspecting, and unarmed.
It is not entirely a coincidence that incidents like these occur at places like schools, college campuses, malls, and theaters.
TexasArmed
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I would never have been there at that time of day, and certainly not if they want endanger my safety by having a nogun policy. I doubt whether I could have stopped him with my CA 44 Spl or my S&W 38 Spl. Probably depend on how good a vest he was wearing and I am not good enough shot to have made a head shot unless I was up pretty close. I have not been to a theatre in about 12 years. Earlier they said he did not have a CHL nor a hunting license. 
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kraigwy
US Veteran
What??? you might get shot???
I'd rather take a chance of getting shot then living the rest of my life knowing I coward under a movie seat doing nothing while my wife and/or grandkids were being shot.
I also don't have any worries about getting caught carrying in a no carry zone (excluding fed buildings and such), What are they going to do, Ask you to leave?????
Interesting to note that nobody mentioned the concern that the arriving police officers might mistake you as the shooter, not the hero who killed the shooter. That would be my first worry in such a situation.
What happened in Colorado was both incredibly surreal and very confusing to those involved, I'm surprised the perp wasn't shot in the end anyways.
On a side note though, the fact that he was able to get tear gas should tell everyone that he had some kind of connections, and that no gun control would have prevented him from acting eventually. He may have been delayed, assuming his guns were legally purchased, if he had been prevented *somehow* from some sort of gun control measures, but in the end he would have probably bought them from the same vendor he bought the gas from.
What happened in Colorado was both incredibly surreal and very confusing to those involved, I'm surprised the perp wasn't shot in the end anyways.
On a side note though, the fact that he was able to get tear gas should tell everyone that he had some kind of connections, and that no gun control would have prevented him from acting eventually. He may have been delayed, assuming his guns were legally purchased, if he had been prevented *somehow* from some sort of gun control measures, but in the end he would have probably bought them from the same vendor he bought the gas from.
Chuck1217
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Ya know I was thinking about exactly that. I think if I were near enough to see the BG, that would be near enough to threaten the wife and me. If I couldn't get away, get HER away without being near him, yeh, I think I'd take a few shots, hope he at least ducks long enough to get outa there. I would NOT go huntin' for him, I don't think..but what if someone had...would I have been a wimp? Even if he had already shot 50 people, I might coulda stopped the next 21. I actually don't know. Seems the cops were there in 90 seconds, hopefully I'd have seen one, and that would have ended my responsibility- and guilt, maybe.
vigil617
US Veteran
Don't know about how your states' laws are written, but here in North Carolina, concealed carry is not allowed anywhere that charges admission, whether the establishment has a "no guns" sign posted or not. I thought about this when I heard about the Aurora shootings today, and how if it had happened at a movie theater here, I couldn't have legally been carrying and had an opportunity to defend myself and others when the firing began. So, the decision now: when do I break the law, knowing I am a responsible citizen, and carry my Shield 40 in my pocket into a movie theater, state fair, football stadium, or the like?
Chuck1217
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Liberal talk-radio show, new in town, comes on at 3, so I tuned in knowing I'd hear "that's great, we should just let EVERYBODY have Machineguns!"
Then he says, "I'm waiting on some right-wingnut to come say 'if some people had carry guns they woulda stopped him..'
I wanted so daxxxxxx bad to call him, but all I could do was email. I asked him "so if a CCP holder had stopped him, even after he shot 40-50 folks...he woulda saved several people from being shot. You sound like that's a BAD thing. Is that what they teach in fascism school?" Probably wasn;t the way to present my argument, but I was pretty hot, and in a hurry. It's so easy to guess what the anti-gunners are gonna say...
Then he says, "I'm waiting on some right-wingnut to come say 'if some people had carry guns they woulda stopped him..'
I wanted so daxxxxxx bad to call him, but all I could do was email. I asked him "so if a CCP holder had stopped him, even after he shot 40-50 folks...he woulda saved several people from being shot. You sound like that's a BAD thing. Is that what they teach in fascism school?" Probably wasn;t the way to present my argument, but I was pretty hot, and in a hurry. It's so easy to guess what the anti-gunners are gonna say...
It's easy to say I would do this or that...pound your chest...look at me...I'm not afraid. Honestly...you have no idea what you would do. It's not about being a hero or a coward...it's about using your brain to get out of the situation alive.
For some reason this post followed by the sig line "when in doubt-use the M&P" is somewhat entertaining.
