I've been invited to share my views with the White House today...

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I received an invitation to join in a conference call with a VP staffer to share my views on reducing "gun violence." Email I received is below:
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Thank you for RSVP'ing to the conference call with Bruce Reed, Chief of Staff to the Vice President, about reducing gun violence.

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Conference Call Name: We the People Conference Call with Bruce Reed on Preventing Gun Violence
Who: Bruce Reed
When: Today, Friday, January 11, 2013
Start Time: 4:00 p.m. EST
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So, what do you want me to say?

Constructive comments only, please. I know what we all want to tell these guys already ;)

ETA posted in 2A as well, mods can kill or combine as needed.
 
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Ask why they insist on trampling the rights of law abiding, productive citizens in the name of making schools safer.

You could also ask if they've considered what to do with millions of defacto criminals once they get their wish. I believe we have insufficient space in prisons already.
 
ask them if it is true that the best way to deal with a bad guy with a gun is to have a good guy with a gun protecting the innocent?

i predict lots will be said, but they won't listen to any of it.
 
Skip the righteous outrage. These guys have heard it and discount it reflexively.

These guys are policy wonks. Speak to them in their own language. Remind them that a policy which obstructs and inconveniences 99+ percent of the population in order to deal with the less than one percent that are the actual problem is a BAD policy by definition because it is spectacularly inefficient. The proposed ban on military profile sporting rifles is a solution in the same sense that carpet bombing a city is a solution to the problem of neutralizing a handful of enemy military commanders who happen to have a bunker there. The city is not the enemy. The commanders are.

Get the psychopaths and mentally damaged first, and then if there is still a problem (which I will guarantee there won't be), you can revisit the issue to see what the next most effective and efficient step will be. An outright ban will still be way down the list.
 
Remember to tell them the secound ammendment isnt about hunting, target shooting, collecting, or even self defendse. Its solely about our citizens haveing the means to keep our goverment from becomeing a dictatorship period! Its a non negotiable subject. Now if they want to put armed guards in all schools and look into getting the mentialy ill care and off the streets you are willing to talk about that.
 
2 hawk I sent you a PM of a letter that I sent to the Speaker of the House? might be some info in it?



Thank you,& good luck
Carl
 
I would ask why there has been no discussion on legal drugs. We all know Big Phamra is a multi billion dollar business that pours millions of dollars into campaign accounts and lobbyists.

Perhaps the reason we are seeing these trajedies now as opposed to 20 years ago is the development and large scale use of psychotropic drugs. And in that regard, I would reference John Noveske's last post on Facebook before me mysteriously died:

Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold's medical records have never been made available to the public.

Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.

Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.

Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.

Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.

Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.

Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.

Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.

A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.

Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..

A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.

Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.

TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.

Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.

James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.

Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania

Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California

Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.

Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.

Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic's file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.

Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.

Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.

Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.

Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.

Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family's Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.

Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara's parents said ".... the damn doctor wouldn't take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil...")

Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002,
(Gareth's father could not accept his son's death and killed himself.)

Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family's detached garage.

Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.

Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.

Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.

A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.

Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and "other drugs for the conditions."

Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.

Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.

Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.
Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.

Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his
New York high school.

Missing from list... 3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds....

What drugs was Jared Lee Loughner on, age 21...... killed 6 people and injuring 14 others in Tuscon, Az

What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on, age 24..... killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora Colorado

What drugs was Jacob Tyler Roberts on, age 22, killed 2 injured 1, Clackamas Or

What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on, age 20, Killed 26 and wounded 2 in Newtown Ct
Roberts is the only one that I haven't heard about being on drugs of some kind.

The Pharamaceutical industry has deftly avoided any responsibility here. Even though all of these psychotropic drugs carry the FDA's "black box" warning, expecially for users in their teens and early twenties.

If the drugs are a contributor, clamping down on firearms is not going to do a thing - they will find other tools to commit mass murder.

If we are really serious about looking for causes, it seems the drug issue should be at the top of the causal list rather than the tool used.
 
Gun bans simply don't work. A ban on weapons only works on the law abiding citizen.

Also, Utah has allowed concealed weapons in schools for the past 12 years. I haven't heard of any shootings or accidents there.

Gun free zones are a joke. They only attract killers because it shows that there will be no immediate armed response.
 
Thinking Points for more info?

After 911 DHS was formed? TSA? Flight Crews got training and also armed? more Sky Marshalls?

Why not try armed security for schools and better overall security?

Education, Values, respect, common decency for fellow man,

2006, West Nickel Mines School?
 
Good luck 2Hawk. I'm sure you will do us proud!

Sadly I'm fearful you're a just a prop in a preconceived publicity op. for the administration's foregone gun grab.

Here are the questions that I have yet to see anyone ask and no one volunteer an answer.

1) What percentage of gun murders and gun crimes are committed with UNREGISTERED GUNS?
2) How will further restrictions on law abiding, legal, gun owners help curb gun crimes?
3) How will these further restrictions aid in getting the illegal guns off the street and stop their use in gun related crimes? The states and cities with the highest gun crime rates are those with the toughest gun restrictions and laws. So how are further, more restrictive gun law warranted?
 
Ask if they really intend to criminalize private transactions of legally owned
items between private individuals legally able to own those items.
Ask for statistics proving that additional laws lower already illegal gun crime.
Ask how additional laws will increase our ability to track firearms
that are currently tracked within minutes or hours.
Ask how additional laws will prevent mentally ill individuals from stealing & misusing
legally purchased & owned firearms.
Ask who should craft firearms legislation- those opposed to Constitutionally guaranteed ownership or those who legally own & enjoy those firearms.
Ask who represents all of us law abiding firearms owners who are sick
of talk about eroding our freedoms while the real problems remain unaddressed.
Good luck & please let us know how it goes.
Regards,
turnerriver
NRA Life Endowment member
 
Ask why the president just signed a bill giving him life time armed protection for him and his family.
 
DC, thanks, this is good...

Skip the righteous outrage. These guys have heard it and discount it reflexively.

These guys are policy wonks. Speak to them in their own language. Remind them that a policy which obstructs and inconveniences 99+ percent of the population in order to deal with the less than one percent that are the actual problem is a BAD policy by definition because it is spectacularly inefficient. The proposed ban on military profile sporting rifles is a solution in the same sense that carpet bombing a city is a solution to the problem of neutralizing a handful of enemy military commanders who happen to have a bunker there. The city is not the enemy. The commanders are.

Get the psychopaths and mentally damaged first, and then if there is still a problem (which I will guarantee there won't be), you can revisit the issue to see what the next most effective and efficient step will be. An outright ban will still be way down the list.

Excellent!
 
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