J-Frame Mystique - My Experience

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I’ve always been the revolver-less lover of J-Frame revolvers. The history. The feel. As much as I wanted one, I just could never wrap my head around why I’d ever buy one. I use my handguns. I carry my handguns. The J-Frame is a hard sell for a few reasons, but one that stood out was unlike some other handguns, the J-Frame is entwined deeply with the .38 Special caliber.

Carrying a 5 shot revolver that’s an animal to reload is one thing, but clearly, the .38 which is so often touted as the round that’ll “get it done” in a revolver had me confused. A. It’s freaking huge for its abilities, and B. it’s abilities are akin to a .380 ACP. Now you don’t have to be that old to remember that it wasn’t until Ruger started pumping out LCP’s, that the lowly .380 was considered nothing more than a barely effective (if at all) mouse round.

Clearly the J-Frame was nothing more than a nostalgic weapon using a nostalgic round, that was only promoted by old farts because that’s what their dads swore by.

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So I forged ahead and went semi crazy fore years. Buying and selling all sorts of handguns. I settled on mostly Glocks and Walther’s. Soulless plastic. But I’m good with em so...

My summer gun for the hot Kansas weather is either my G42, or my G43. Mostly my 42. I love the thing!

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The G42 is fantastic, I can unload a mag on target as fast as I can pull the trigger. The muzzle rise is nonexistent for me. It’s confidence inspiring!

Of course like all handgun ammo, .380 has come a long way, and though much of it gives me pause, the Underwood Extreme Defender gives me all the confidence I need that my little 42 is going to get done what I need it to do. Sure the 42 is only a 6 shot. I never said I was a capacity maniac, just that the J-Frame is hard to reload. That’s not a problem with my Glock.

Anyway, I’m getting to the Revolver, but understand that I’ve put insane amounts of ammunition through my 42. I love the gun. I’ve had to change springs in her even, but she’s run reliably. Until about a year and a half ago. That’s when I noted she didn’t like eating Underwood ammo anymore.

To this day, I can’t figure out why. Ramps, springs, everything has been checked, but she still chokes on the ammo. Arg! I’ve got boxes of Underwood in .380.

My only option was to get a new 42 and hope the ammo would feed through it. Or was it? I hate toying around with my guns ammo. Hate it. What if I just bought a revolver I thought, a J-Frame. It’ll eat anything. So I did. A 442, just to see what I thought.

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What a great feeling gun! Moreover, the first time I took it out, the first time, I was making consistent hits at 7, 10, 15 & 25 yards. The thing points like a good shotgun! I don’t know why people say it takes so much practice! I liked it!

Of course, I sharpened my teeth on DA SIGs so... maybe that helps eh. I bought a laser grip for her, and it really shows that I’m ok with squeezing a DA trigger. I don’t know if that’ll be the case for everyone or not. To be fair, I did change out the springs.

Now as much as .380acp ammo has improved, it seems .38 has improved even more. I would almost hesitate to say .38 is even better than .380 now, but that war can rage someplace else. What’s key is, the Underwood Extreme Defender, or just about any ammo in the revolver is going to feed! And that’s HUGE. It’s the reason I bought the gun.

Of course reloading is never going to be as fast for me. The speed strips... yeah, nah. Garbage for me. I finally settled on Safarilands preferring the push vs twist load. It’s ok. It’s a hide and reload kind of thing vs a continue to shoot and reload one.

Moreover, I’ll never be shooting Mozambique drills with her like I do with my semi‘s. Its not that I can’t, it’s just that because it’s such a bear to reload (i am getting faster), I’m more particular with each round.

Of course as much as the gun isn’t as fast as my semi’s, it can be used up close. As in pressed next to the body without going out of battery close. That’s seriously huge considering how close things can get. Advantage nostalgic wheel gun.

Overall, the mystique has bitten me large! I love my metal S&W, and I’m carrying it full time now. There’s just very little fear that the gun will go off when I ask it too. What a comfortable feeling! Trust, accuracy and at 15oz, comfort. What a winning combo.

I like it so well I’ll be ordering the J-Frame I originally wanted, but didn’t get for fear it be a waste of money being I like my Glocks a great deal. A .357! But that’s another story.

I’ve bought into the mystique.
 
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They’re not everything to everybody, but a darn good compromise. Get yours set up for moon clips, maybe it would even shoot that Underwood?
 
Nice post.

I don't think the J-frame had much mystique for me. I just saw it as a good, practical balance between size, power, controllability, and concealability.

I think the notion that they're difficult to shoot well is primarily aimed at new shooters, though I think it's also true that they're not as easy to shoot as larger guns, especially when aiming for both speed and accuracy (pun intended...;)). My first J-frame was a 642ND bought back in the 90s. While it could be a handful, I didn't think it was particularly difficult to shoot well. Maybe because I didn't have the Internet to tell me it was so difficult to shoot. It also wasn't my first handgun, which was a Beretta 92FS.

Even though my primary EDC for the past couple of years has been a Beretta PX4 Compact, I carried a 642-1 as my only carry gun for several years before that, and felt adequately armed. I still carry my 642-1 as a BUG, and will sometimes carry it as my only gun if I want to carry something more discreet.

J-frames are still capable carry guns for those who understand both their strengths and limitations.

Now if only I could get my 640ND grail gun...
 
No mystique at all

Ol F**t here;

No mystique at all, just 50 + years of EDC J-Frames (M36, M60) in OWB leather. Lots of practice, lots of confidence, stepped up to +P just because I could and take advantage of slightly less weight with the 637. Sold the M 60 and the M60 engraved to other Forum Members some years back. Tried some other guns (M66, 1911, M39) but for plain simple EDC where confidence in yourself and your gun that comes with practice....it is still the good old J Frame for me.

Love all those other guns from cowboy six-shooters to warhorses, to K and N Frames. They are all super nice at the range or plinking, ringing gongs.....just not for me on my belt. Did try to carry my Model 28 Highway Patrolman 4" for a few days...…….whew! Talk about printing, talk about Don Knotts on presentation, and finally talk about weight. Felt like there was an 80 lb. attack dog gripping my six on right side. In addition..just trying to exit my pickup truck in the parking lot had me looking just like Barney Coppersmith (FBI Agent) in "My Blue Heaven" trying to exit his 1978 Chevy Impala Fibbie ride. Those of you that have seen the movie and pack a N Frame on right side in vehicle with large protruding seat belt retainers may even relate.

Love my J Frames
 

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I would have told you that this 640 is my favorite J frame, until I picked up an M&P340.

Now I'm not so sure... :)

Hey talk to me about that. The M&P 340 was really attractive to me, but I thought the extra weight of the 640 pro would help with the Magnum rounds.

Where is your debate?


Thanks for all the positive responses guys!
 
It's amazing how many eventually find their way to the venerable J-Frame.

I'm one of them. Never gave it a thought until a friend put one in my (rather small) hands. After then buying one for my wife, now a 340 is my every day carry. Love them.

Cheerio,

Roy
 
That'd darn sure fix any delays on the reload! :D

Is there some trick to doing it in a hurry? I’ve dealt with moonclips for years with my 610, and it is quite fast. But the clips are larger and thicker, so easier to handle and don’t flex like an aluminum pop top. When I got my 640 Pro, I thought cool!...moonclips! But in reality for me (and it may be just a manual dexterity issue), it’s pretty tough to get them to just drop right in like my 610. The clips flex, so it’s hard to get all of the bullet noses to line up at the same time and there’s a lot less clearance between the cylinder and frame. I use TK Custom clips and have tried some different thicknesses, but for me it’s still an exercise in futility and I know I’d really flub it under stress. I do carry with a moonclip in it because it makes for a much more positive extraction, but I still carry speed strips for reloads.
 
Hey talk to me about that. The M&P 340 was really attractive to me, but I thought the extra weight of the 640 pro would help with the Magnum rounds.

Where is your debate?


Thanks for all the positive responses guys!


Oh, the 640 Pro is a whole different beast than the M&P340. :eek:

In fact it's a different beast than my 640 No Dash. The ND is .38 only.

You're of course correct. If I wanted to regularly shoot real Magnum loads, something like the 640 Pro would be the clear choice over the 340.

Between the 640ND and the M&P340, there's just what you would expect. I find the latter easier to pocket carry, less bounce/leg-slap, has the front dot that's easier to get a flash sight picture of, and importantly, I don't find much practical difference in recoil with Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel .38+P.
 
Check out the speed "strips" from zetasix.com. If/when I get another J frame, I will have one of these speed loaders. They are like a speed strip but hold the rounds in a circle of 5 rather than in a straight line. And no release knob on top. Reduces bulk.
 
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