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You have my attention Bruce!
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Sorry, Randy , still driving. Can't do a whole lot at this point.
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That would be against the law in GA. Darned, I spilled my beer. OK traffic light. Let's see the gun.
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All I have at the moment is the one I bought it from.
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Thank you for sharing that delightful 2 inch find. That you have the box is also quite a coup. Please give us such additional info as you are able to share.
(I have one that could have been its sister-on-the-shelf at 6251xx, but no box or any accoutrements.)
(I have one that could have been its sister-on-the-shelf at 6251xx, but no box or any accoutrements.)
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Thank you. This was really a serendipitous find. A couple crappy photos on the internet. The box was what caught my eye. This is the 3rd pre-war snub I have had, but I have never seen a box before. The photo above was the only shot of the box and I was scared to death that the hinge would be broken and the label gone. I jumped as soon as I saw it and didn't dare leave it long enough to query the seller.
Probably be this weekend before I can get any decent photos.
Bruce
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Well, Bruce, that one almost takes my breath away...
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Apparently, it came out of Lufkin. If I had known that, I would have driven down instead of sitting on pins & needles for the last week.
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Well, that's pretty close to San Antonio... coulda run over and picked it up for you... maybe it woulda made it your way eventually.
Congratulations Bruce!!! That is a very early 2" M&P. Mine is SN 625385, and I am told by folks that track such things, it is the one of the two earliest known to have shipped from the factory.
Mine letters as leaving the factory on 11/27/1933 shipping to San Francisco in the same configuration as your M&P. After its arrival, it spent some time a King's Gun Sights and then with Orville Kuhl, engraver.
Thanks for sharing. I am looking forward to learning more about that little guy.
Mine letters as leaving the factory on 11/27/1933 shipping to San Francisco in the same configuration as your M&P. After its arrival, it spent some time a King's Gun Sights and then with Orville Kuhl, engraver.
Thanks for sharing. I am looking forward to learning more about that little guy.
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Don't sweat the small stuff like boxes with broken hinges---or broken anything else-----can't say about a missing label.
Gary Lowe ("glowe" hereabouts) is a WIZARD with nasty old beat all to hell boxes----or even with nicer ones with fewer faults. Better still his talents are/can be applied to order. Do you want your nasty old beat all to hell box to look like a new one---or just a well cared for old one?
You pays your money, and you takes your pick!!
My favorite was a .44 H.E. 2nd Target box---in pretty decent shape---if you didn't mind the HUGE HORRIBLE stain on top!! It came back without the stain----no sign of it ever being there---and the rather fragile looking corners here and there looked like they were once again good to go.
Actually, that one might have been my second favorite---after a NM #3 Target box that was in pretty good shape---if you could overlook the fact it was (SEVERELY) warped every place it had a place!! It came back DEAD SQUARE!! I thought about asking him how in the world he did that, but I figured he might reply with something along the lines of "Very carefully!"---at least that's probably what I would say if I was a WIZARD for hire.
(You'll have to ask Gary if he can forge labels.)
Ralph Tremaine
Now that I think about it, I reckon labels could fairly easily be forged, uh "recreated", if a fella had a photograph of a good/good enough one which could be sized and printed onto the appropriate paper. I have no clue as to how to go about such, but most certainly somebody does---somewhere---maybe even in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan where Gary lives-----and where folks don't have much else to do but stare at the snow from maybe mid-October 'til May Day.
Gary Lowe ("glowe" hereabouts) is a WIZARD with nasty old beat all to hell boxes----or even with nicer ones with fewer faults. Better still his talents are/can be applied to order. Do you want your nasty old beat all to hell box to look like a new one---or just a well cared for old one?
You pays your money, and you takes your pick!!
My favorite was a .44 H.E. 2nd Target box---in pretty decent shape---if you didn't mind the HUGE HORRIBLE stain on top!! It came back without the stain----no sign of it ever being there---and the rather fragile looking corners here and there looked like they were once again good to go.
Actually, that one might have been my second favorite---after a NM #3 Target box that was in pretty good shape---if you could overlook the fact it was (SEVERELY) warped every place it had a place!! It came back DEAD SQUARE!! I thought about asking him how in the world he did that, but I figured he might reply with something along the lines of "Very carefully!"---at least that's probably what I would say if I was a WIZARD for hire.
(You'll have to ask Gary if he can forge labels.)
Ralph Tremaine
Now that I think about it, I reckon labels could fairly easily be forged, uh "recreated", if a fella had a photograph of a good/good enough one which could be sized and printed onto the appropriate paper. I have no clue as to how to go about such, but most certainly somebody does---somewhere---maybe even in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan where Gary lives-----and where folks don't have much else to do but stare at the snow from maybe mid-October 'til May Day.
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Bruce, you unquestionably did the right thing! You better not let any “moss grow on you” if you want to come away with some gems. I am very jealous.
Larry
I would love to see some photos of this one as well...
OP
Thanks, Larry
I snapped a few quick ones on my way to work. The blue is so deep, I had a difficult time keeping myself from the reflections. Fingerprints all over it from being fondled. Case colors still vivid. Tiny bit of blue wear on barrel and leading edge of cylinder says that it has been carried.
This is the 3rd pre-war snub that I have had the pleasure to own. I continue to be amazed at the smoothness of the actions and the light triggerpulls on them. I have never read that they received extra attention, but I feel their actions are nicer even than the target models, which I know did receive extra attention.
I still have my battle worn Oklahoma snub which I often carry, so I expect this one will live in its box.
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I snapped a few quick ones on my way to work. The blue is so deep, I had a difficult time keeping myself from the reflections. Fingerprints all over it from being fondled. Case colors still vivid. Tiny bit of blue wear on barrel and leading edge of cylinder says that it has been carried.
This is the 3rd pre-war snub that I have had the pleasure to own. I continue to be amazed at the smoothness of the actions and the light triggerpulls on them. I have never read that they received extra attention, but I feel their actions are nicer even than the target models, which I know did receive extra attention.
I still have my battle worn Oklahoma snub which I often carry, so I expect this one will live in its box.
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Bruce:
Thanks for sharing the quick photos!!! That really is a special package. When you get a chance, I would love to see a photo of the three of your pre-war snubs together.
Thanks,
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Richard,
The first one I had was actually a pre-war that shipped post-war. I sold it via the SWCA Symposium auction in 2019.
I have 2 pre-war round butts now, and a worn, very early (1946) square butt. Round butt being by far my favorite for carry.
I will get a family photo of the 3 I have left.
Bruce
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The box is very interesting-
It is obviously too short for a 4" gun, so it must have been a box they used for 38 Safties and 38 Terriers. I can't think of anything else they made at that time that would fit that box.
I wonder if they printed box labels in house, or farmed them out. Obviously, they did not yet have any for the 2" M&P, so they remarked a 4" label. Cool.
It is obviously too short for a 4" gun, so it must have been a box they used for 38 Safties and 38 Terriers. I can't think of anything else they made at that time that would fit that box.
I wonder if they printed box labels in house, or farmed them out. Obviously, they did not yet have any for the 2" M&P, so they remarked a 4" label. Cool.
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Yes, I know about the patent date.
That is why some students of S&W call it the "Patent Box".
Others use the term "Display Box" because of the way that it will stand open displaying the gun with the lid instructions showing as a backdrop.
This will now officially begin the debate over which term is correct!
All entrants in the debate must list age, years collecting, number of guns owned, height, education level, and IQ.
That is why some students of S&W call it the "Patent Box".
Others use the term "Display Box" because of the way that it will stand open displaying the gun with the lid instructions showing as a backdrop.
This will now officially begin the debate over which term is correct!
All entrants in the debate must list age, years collecting, number of guns owned, height, education level, and IQ.
