Just ordered a Milt Sparks PMK for the 642, I'm starting to second guess it...

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Anyone have a Milt Sparks PMK?

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I've yet to see a picture of the PMK with a J-Frame in it other than on the Sparks site. Do any of you have a pic you could share? If it's not to much trouble could you show a pic of how it rides on the belt?

Thanks
 
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I've got a Milt Sparks pocket holster that I carry a 442 in…..very happy with it……I do have a OWB holster that I carry the same gun in at times, just less of a hassle to put it in my pocket….IMO.

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I've been looking for alternate ways to carry my J-Frame 642. I decided to order a Milt Sparks PMK OWB holster today after hearing so many great things about them. I'm beginning to second guess this decision solely based on the price tag. The holster looks beautiful and I don't doubt that it'll work out great it's just hard to justify spending that much on a piece of leather.

Do any of you have the PMK for a J-Frame that can reassure me that it's worth it?

Also I've yet to see a picture of the PMK with a J-Frame in it other than on the Sparks site. Do any of you have a pic you could share? If it's not to much trouble could you show a pic of how it rides on the belt?

I'm also second guessing the idea of wearing it OWB being that I've always carried every firearm IWB. Wondering if I should have got something IWB or if I could still conceal it well with the PMK.

Thanks
 
Well.....
It's hard to give an honest opinion without appearing to diss Mr. Sparks. He IS one of the legends in holster making, so it's like buying a Picasso. Impeccable work. You might even end up not wanting to use it so it doesn't get scuffed. But the bottom line to me is, you can get at least 2 other holsters for the price of the Sparks... and not feel so bad if you gouge the leather. But I'm sorry, they're just too expensive for my budget.
Lot of other custom makers out there that do killer work but don't charge nearly what they're worth. Too many to mention, although I will bring up Lobo because he's a Forum member. I don't have any of his yet but that's only because I just cannot decide which gun to have one made for.
 
I agree. I've been looking for a highly skilled leather guy who doesn't charge as much but still does great work. I've considered Lobo ($72), Side Guard ($50-75), Clark Fork Leather ($55-60), Hays Holsters ($55), and Turner Leatherworks ($75). In fact I do have an appendix holster on order with Erik form Side Guard. It's just so many people had rave reviews about the Sparks PMK.
 
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I've shared this experience before, and will do it again here. Some years back, I placed an order with Milt Sparks for two OWB rigs and a belt. After paying up front and waiting the standard seven months, I was contacted by a Sparks rep and told a mistake had been made with my order. The K-frame holster I wanted unlined had in fact been made lined. I was then given the hard sell about how much better a lined holster was, and told the extra money was well worth it. I asked about not taking the lined holster, and was told that I would be required to wait another seven months for a replacement. Not wanting to wait any longer, I paid the extra money and accepted the order, vowing to NEVER spend another cent with Sparks. In my opinion, it was a matter of principle, the error should been absorbed on Sparks' part not mine, despite the cost ... which some people might view as inconsequential. Since that sour experience, I have purchased dozens of additional holsters from square dealing folks like Ray @ Lobo, Lefty @ BCO, Sam Andrews, and others ... and not a single one from Sparks. I sold one Sparks rig, never use the other, and prefer my Don Hume belt over the Sparks belt. Quality-wise, Sparks is excellent. Practice-wise, Sparks is on my No Fly List. Does Sparks care about me? No, and that's fine, as it's their loss not mine.

With all the other fine leather craftsmen out there, I'd tell Sparks to pound sand and patronize a different vendor.
 
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I have three Sparks holsters that I can think of and they are all wonderful. I also have two Lobo Gun Leather holsters and they are also great. Ray is great to deal with, the turn around is fast and the price is excellent.I recommend his work highly. I am left handed and have had custom holsters made for me for decades since I was an LE for 36 years. I own so many custom holsters that I can't count them.

Tom
 
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H gNg,

I carried a model 60 in a PMK for ten years. The holster is a very good design and well-crafted. It held up to daily use just fine, and it is still in great shape. I can't carry a sidearm inside the waistband, so I thought I'd give the PMK a try. I liked it just fine, but a 40 year old shoulder injury makes drawing from this holster difficult, so I switched to a Lobo Gun Leather Enhanced Avenger with neutral cant (straight drop) which locates my sidearm at my side, as opposed to behind my hip. I also switched to a K-frame, because the J-frame grip is just too small for me.

I do not have any photographs, but I can tell you the holster is designed to locate the sidearm low and behind the hip. It is a good holster for a 2" - 3" J- or K-frame. An L-frame is a bit large for this holster. Tony (the shop's owner) designed the holster so his wife could have a comfortable way to carry her J-frame. It's really designed to work with the female shape, but it also does well with a male's shape.

If you carry your sidearm behind your hip, then this holster will work well for you. You will need a covering garment which will hang below your belt about 4".

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I don't know what it costs or how long you'll have to wait but if it's really all THAT ... I'd get it made OWB but do it for a very special BBQ gun. In my case it would be my Colt 1911 not my EDC 442.
 
I have no OWB leather holsters (except an old, off the rack Bianchi for my Model 10) but have only heard good things about Sparks' quality. That said, the extra strap of leather over the back of the cylinder strikes me as an unnecessary addition to overall thickness of the package, when others (Lobo and Simply Rugged spring to mind) don't seem to need it. If you're thinking of concealment, which I assume you are with a 642, thinner is almost always better.

And if you're having second thoughts this early in what promises to be a long process, it is likely to be an unpleasant wait. So if you haven't sent in your money yet, or if you can get it back, I would personally be inclined to go with one of the other highly recommended leathersmiths who can deliver known quality at much lower cost in much less time. (I haven't convinced myself that OWB will work for the way I dress and the places I go, but if I ever do I'll have an order in to Lobo in about an hour. It'll take me that long to make a final decision between the regular and the enhanced pancake models he offers.)
 
Milt Sparks and DelFatti leather are first class products: the only holsters I use. They are worth every dime you spend and the months or years you wait for them.

You'll find lots of stuff for less, available sooner or off the rack but you won't find anything as good.

I bought my first Sparks holster 35 years ago. It was stolen a few years ago. Sparks doesn't catalog that model any longer, but when I called them and told them what happened, they knew the holster and sent me a new one with belt (wait time was 7 months).

You get what you pay for.

There is a difference between best quality and 'off the rack' stuff

Until you experience bespoke leather, you won't know what you're missing.

Budget about $400 for best quality leather (holster and belt). If you just want something to stick your firearm in, there are lots of things out there for a fraction of that.

A Ford Pinto will work fine to drive to the grocery store. So will a Mercedes Benz. Which one do you think will be more likely to start when you need it? Which would be more comfortable to drive? Which has been developed for drivers?

There is no comparison.

Just my opinion, of course.
 
Like RPG said, you get what you pay for. I have three MS holsters, a belt, and mag pouches for Glocks and M&Ps. MS isn't just for BBQ guns. They're working gun holsters and are designed to carry and conceal very well. Plus, they will last a lot longer than an "off the rack" rig. MS isn't the only quality leather manufacturer out there, but they're worth the money you choose to spend it on their products. I don't know that a MS rig for a 642 is overkill or not, but you may find it has its uses. On the other hand, if you don't like it, you likely may be able to resell it and easily recoup your money. Just search EBay and see how well they sell. There are always other folks who don't want to wait seven months.
 
Had a 686 PMK style made just recently. They did NOT charge my credit card until they personally called to confirm I still wanted it before shipping & charging my card! The quality was nothing less then superb and the wait time was not bad (approx 10 weeks). I have no problem waiting a little time for top quality. Additionally, I don't think a "C" note to include delivery to my front door was bad as well. I'm old school that believes you get what you pay for period! Ever wonder why most folks have 2-5 holsters for the same weapon.....think about it a second and you'll come to the correct conclusion.
 
Never had an OWB holster from Sparks but have and use their Summer Special which in my experience is one of the very best holsters of that style.

If you are looking for an OWB that is good quality and reasonably priced look at the leather one Blackhawk sells. It is a take off of the Berns Martin design and one of the fastest holsters I have ever seen.
 
There are some very beautiful holsters out there if you want to pay the money.

Personally I feel holsters are a style and it may change over the next few years as might what you carry. I don't spend much although I now have 4 and 1 accessory for 1 gun.

Between lead times and price I doubt I'll ever own a top notch holster.

Holsters
 
I have a Sparks IWB, the VM2, that I use for summer carry of my 3" 1911. It's served me very well; I can't recall now how long it took to be delivered but I do remember that it arrived in my mailbox a little earlier than I thought it would. An advantage to having low expectations! Very good design & well executed IMO - no regrets here.

More recently (2011), I purchased (2) 1911 OWB holsters (1 strong side, 1 small-of-back) & a mag pouch from Andy Arratoonian of Horseshoe Leather Products in the U.K. I ordered it & received confirmation of the order the first week of April; I received word that my order was to be started & request for payment on September 24 & my order was shipped November 4th. It arrived on November 10th, just a few days more than 7 months from date of order. It wasn't cheap & the wait was long, but I have no regrets. I don't think you'll regret the cost & wait for your Sparks either. Once you begin wearing it, if it works as well as my Sparks & Horseshoe leather you'll be pleased.

However; if you are in the habit of frequently changing your carry gun you might want to rethink spending a lot of money on expensive leather. As mentioned, there are good quality options out there for less money.
 
The only think I don't like the Milt Sparks holsters is the metal band around the opening of the Holster.I see the benifit for quick re-holstering but it makes the Holster uncomfortable.
 
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