Kel-Tec Sub 2000?

[JayFramer]

Anyone heard of the Kel-Tec Sub 2000 semi-automatic folding carbine?

I am interested in the one that accepts Beretta 92 magazines as I have many of those. Weight is 4.25 lbs and as shown they fold in half making a 16"x7" package. Seems like a good compact urban defensive rifle that could be used when carrying a full sized rifle would be impractical. Benefits over a handgun are increased velocties of the pistol ammunition used, longer sight radius, and more points of contact for greater stability over a handgun.

Thoughts?

 

[murphydog]

It would seem to be a good option for situations where better accuracy (than a handgun) and less penetration (than a 5.56 or 7.62 mm carbine) may be needed, such as in a crowded building. Haven't read about any concerns with the current version.

 

[mcb66]

Not a big fan of black rifles. However, I did shoot one of these at the range one time.... bought my own the next weekend. Cool little piece. Like a modern Thompson.

 

[KarmannGhia]

I have an older (1st generation) that takes Glock mags. More like a really light weight Uzi carbine than a Thompson. It is fun, but I would not want to have to use it in a real fight. It's moderately reliable. The front sight on the older ones suck.

 

[Muss Muggins]

I've got the Gen 1 that uses Glock mags. I'm a big fan of having a carbine close by that takes my pistol mags. Reasonably accurate, reliable, and even though it folds up, you can leave a mag in it and it's ready to when you fold it down . . .

 

[Telecaster]

Fun carbine, good for practicing rifle skills with cheaper ammo than 5.56. Well, not quite. The cheek weld is totally different but otherwise it's fun and reliable.

 

[WC145]

They've been around for quite a few years, I had one of the first generation versions in 9mm at least 8 years ago, my dad bought a Gen2 .40cal last year. They're light, handy, reliable, and surprisingly accurate. I qualified on the patrol rifle course with mine using open sights without any trouble, used to stick it between the seats of the cruiser where I could grab it easily. I could deploy it in seconds and it extended my effective range dramatically, a nice step between sidearm and a "real" rifle.

 

[Fishinfool]

Never owned one, but should note there is a second, version #2 that came out recently. I have read owners speak more highly of the second version. I have been thinking of one myself after looking one over closely at the last gun show.

I do own one of those Hi-Point 9mm carbines, and they are fun at the range. That longer barrel puts the 9mm up in 357 mag territory.

Larry

 

[canoeguy]

I bought one about a year ago, and have been having fun shooting it. Reliable and more accurate than you think, I can hit an 8" swinging steel out to 100 yards with it. I got the version that takes Glock 17 magazines.

It really shines when compared to other 9MM carbines when it comes to stowing, it is probably 6"-8" more compact than the break down Ruger PC Carbine. It fits nicely in a surplus G.I. mechanics tool bag:

Carbine, some spare ammo, a Glock 17 pistol, pocket knife, spare magazines, all in a package that doesn't scream "Gun!"

They have come down in price lately, I have seen them for $450 or so in the past three months, and they are much more plentiful.

 

[hkcavalier]

I had a 1st Gen 9mm that took S&W 59 mags. Cheek weld was an issue, as was left handed shooting (blowback to the face).

Based on my experiences with one, I can't really recommend one. I'd say they'd be a good fit for home defense for someone with below average strength, but they're not easy to charge, even with an aftermarket charging handle sleeve.

While longer, heavier, and non-folding, the Ruger carbine just feels a ton better to the shoulder and in the hands.

 

[hoc9sw]

I worked with the Gen 2, Glock mags, right hander. Love it, but it is a bit dirty and not a cleaning dream for an old arthritic guy when it comes to the recoil spring. But I do have kids at the range who will do it for cheap.

I can see it not being practical for a lefty.

It really does fit well into non-descript bags.

I like them (in Gen 2).

 

[dmthomp32]

I agree with the others, generally they are good rifles and reasonably accurate. I don't own one but have shot one (gen 1). My biggest complaint was the ergonomics of the rifle. They aren't terribly comfortable (cheek weld sucks) or conducive to use (charging handle location) and I could barely get my face/line of sight low enough to use the existing iron sights. Adjustment of the front sight on the gen one was also an issue from what I have read. If the new gen models have fixed those issues then I think it would be a great tool. Personally I'm more interested in the new Ruger PC 9mm carbine. I have a Marlin Camp 9 currently it is great but not a take down and doesn't use Glock mags.

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[Telecaster]

I put a red dot sight on mine, the compromise being it doesn't fold all the way.

If the Ruger PC9 had been out when I got my Sub2k it would have been a tough choice, but my Sub2k takes M&P mags so that's a plus.

 

[raisedin99]

I’ve seen both parts of this video concerning the sub2000 and it was informative enough to spark my interest. I would suspect there will be one around here as it looks to be a neat little ammo waster. For those of you that haven’t seen it heres the link.

terry

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9TZlIG6Pnc[/ame]

 

[Vulcan Bob]

I bought one of the Gen 2's a few months ago in 9mm on a whim that takes S&W M&P mags. Fired 500 rounds total out of it in multiple range sessions without cleaning (on purpose) without any issues using a mix of hardball, HP's and +P ammo. Tacked on a Eotech 512 and the Streamlight TLR-1 HPL weapon light and called it good. With the Speer 124gr +P Gold Dot ammo it clocked a ten shot average 1,388 FPS over the chrono. I think it will do the job for what I want it to do.

 

[smoothshooter]

Never owned one, but should note there is a second, version #2 that came out recently. I have read owners speak more highly of the second version. I have been thinking of one myself after looking one over closely at the last gun show.
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I do own one of those Hi-Point 9mm carbines, and they are fun at the range. That longer barrel puts the 9mm up in 357 mag territory.

Larry

Don't know if I would say that.
9mm usually only picks up a couple of hundred feet per second out of a carbine or longer barrel over handgun velocities.
When comparing equal bullet weights between 9mm and .357, the .357 is still way ahead in power.

 

[Kanewpadle]

Great compact lightweight truck gun. Other than that I find them useless.

 

[smoothshooter]

I agree with the others, generally they are good rifles and reasonably accurate. I don't own one but have shot one (gen 1). My biggest complaint was the ergonomics of the rifle. They aren't terribly comfortable (cheek weld sucks) or conducive to use (charging handle location) and I could barely get my face/line of sight low enough to use the existing iron sights. Adjustment of the front sight on the gen one was also an issue from what I have read. If the new gen models have fixed those issues then I think it would be a great tool. Personally I'm more interested in the new Ruger PC 9mm carbine. I have a Marlin Camp 9 currently it is great but not a take down and doesn't use Glock mags.

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I had a Gen 1, sold it and now have a Gen 2. Both with Glock magazines.
Like the Gen 2 much better, but I have a big head and have a hard time getting down behind the sights some. Have a LOT of trouble getting down low enough on the stock with earmuffs on.

I am also considering one of the new Rugers that take Glock magazines since I have a good supply of them.
No Glock pistols, just the magazines.

 

[DADoser]

I dig mine - gen 2. Added fore grip, front rail mounted sling mount, and Tacticool rubber bolt tube cover (great addition). ETS Glock 31(?) round magazine. Fun to shoot. I also just think the design is cool.

 

[boykinlp]

I have had mine for a couple of years now. It has excellent capacity and shoots further out than a pistol. It weighs less than 5 pounds, takes 33 round magazines, and folds to 16.25 inches in length: