Knockoff or the real thing?

Register to hide this ad
$15 fake and you can see they played with name omissions on both the company and product.

I stay away from these type of misleading fakes stealing the OEM brand.
 
Here is the authentic stock:
media.nl


Here is the one from ebay:
s-l1600.jpg


Notice on the side near the front that the ebay version is missing the company logo. No, this seller isn't even trying to represent it as authentic. He's using the name, but that's all.

Anytime you see a new product being sold for 75% less than what they normally sell for, they're fake. Sometimes the fake ones are decent, but mostly they're just junk. In this case, it will just put you $15 further from the one you really want.
 
Sometimes the fake ones are decent, but mostly they're just junk.

In this last "election cycle" I spent quite a bit of time and money "researching" "low end" AR solutions. I have found every "junk" stock to function properly and work according to manufacturer intent. The lightweight ones are wiggly, well because they are lightweight. Rubber cheekpiece heavier, more solid. Add rubber buttpad, heavier still. I don't know how well one would stand up to buttstroking a half dozen "enemy" but then again they'd drown before getting to me in this swamp. A $400 "junk" AR with subject stock type, 100% reliable (at least for the several hundred rounds through it so far). Joe
Wcj38kC.jpg
 
Anytime you see a new product being sold for 75% less than what they normally sell for, they're fake. Sometimes the fake ones are decent, but mostly they're just junk. In this case, it will just put you $15 further from the one you really want.

I'm not so sure regarding this... what does the real deal do that this knockoff doesn't deliver? Perhaps the polymer is stronger on the real item, but can't say either way based on the info I have here.
 
Maybe this stock is OK and maybe it isn't. It's a $15 gamble. Gun enthusiasts are the best group of people I know. They are also the cheapest group I've ever dealt with.

I just deleted 4 paragraphs because it's going to fall on deaf ears. Suffice it to say: When the elation of low price wears off, the pain of low quality remains.

And just how much stuff is in that "rabbit hole" box cyphertext?
 
Last edited:
Maybe this stock is OK and maybe it isn't. It's a $15 gamble. Gun enthusiasts are the best group of people I know. They are also the cheapest group I've ever dealt with.

I just deleted 4 paragraphs because it's going to fall on deaf ears. Suffice it to say: When the elation of low price wears off, the pain of low quality remains.

And just how much stuff is in that "rabbit hole" box cyphertext?

But that's just it... how do you know that this is "low quality" from just an ebay ad? Is it not possible that the real Minimalist stock is not over priced to begin with?

Based on the info provided, all that can be said with 100% accuracy is that the one on ebay is not the one marketed by MFT. Unless someone on here has purchased the ebay one, no one can really speak to the quality of it.

With optics, I get it... with pieces of plastic... not as sure that the higher priced stock does anything better than the knock off, but again, I have not handled the knock off. So like you said, $15 gamble. Do you feel lucky, punk? :D
 
Manufacturers are in the business of making money. Some, will overprice their stuff, but they generally don't stay in business long. If MFT could make a profit by selling their stocks at $15 instead of $60 don't you think they would?

No, just the price is enough for me to steer clear. However, why don't you buy one and let us know how it goes?
 
With so many manufacturers out in the market these days it is very hard to determine what level of quality any given part has been built to achieve. I do not believe price is a good measure of the quality level but more often indicates how much the consumer is willing to pay. The current low prices of AR parts were much higher just before the elections and I don't think the quality changed. Manufacture cheaper and sell higher is always the motive for any business . Just my thoughts that if the price difference is enough I might try the cheap version and make my own decisions as to its quality for my use . I always figured if came to real need for butt strokes I was already in too deep.
 
Manufacturers are in the business of making money. Some, will overprice their stuff, but they generally don't stay in business long. If MFT could make a profit by selling their stocks at $15 instead of $60 don't you think they would?
No, not if people were buying them at $60... If you are buying at $60, why would I sell at $15? But price is not necessarily an indicator of quality. Look at the price difference between AR makes... If you pay 40% more for brand A over a M&P 15 Sport, are you getting a rifle that is 40% better? Not necessarily!

No, just the price is enough for me to steer clear. However, why don't you buy one and let us know how it goes?
Because I am not interested in owning one, either the MFT or the knock off. I didn't ask about it. And $60 is overpriced for MFT, when Cabela's has them for $44. Another place on the web has them for $35...
 
Last edited:
I should have left the 4 paragraphs...

A new Krieghoff shotgun will cost at least $11K. Will it shoot better than a $350 Remington 870? Well, that's a matter of opinion. An Ed Brown 1911 will cost at least $2,500, but an RIA 1911 can be had for $500. Is the Brown that much better? Obviously to some it is.

Is $60 overpriced or is the $15 one just a pile? I don't know and I don't need to spend $15 to find out; I don't need one. These are just my thoughts on the whole subject. I feel that a company that can produce this at that price is cutting corners or has slaves working for it. In either case, I wouldn't buy the knock off.
 
I should have left the 4 paragraphs...

A new Krieghoff shotgun will cost at least $11K. Will it shoot better than a $350 Remington 870? Well, that's a matter of opinion. An Ed Brown 1911 will cost at least $2,500, but an RIA 1911 can be had for $500. Is the Brown that much better? Obviously to some it is.

Is $60 overpriced or is the $15 one just a pile? I don't know and I don't need to spend $15 to find out; I don't need one. These are just my thoughts on the whole subject. I feel that a company that can produce this at that price is cutting corners or has slaves working for it. In either case, I wouldn't buy the knock off.

In your examples above, there is a difference in materials and workmanship that are easily seen... This stock thing is more like name brand cereal vs. store brand.
 
I do not believe price is a good measure of the quality level but more often indicates how much the consumer is willing to pay.

*Genuine Applause*

Any material good or service will sell at a price the market will bear. Capitalism at work. Prior to the advent of the internet, the strategy of price segmentation by region broke down the market into smaller pockets of pricing. Interestingly enough, Amazon has gained such a dominant market share that Amazon will price segement the market for the same item being sold to different zip codes.

Back to the topic at hand. That stock is a reproduction of a genuine stock. The quality and durability of the reproduction is unknown.

I'm not so sure regarding this... what does the real deal do that this knockoff doesn't deliver?

Is it not possible that the real Minimalist stock is not over priced to begin with?

The power of Branding is impressive isn't it. Take two of the exact same item in construction and quality with the only difference being in Brand names, and you'll get a price differential between the two that is supported only by perceived quality, not actual quality. It's the Jedi-mind trick of Marketing.

Perhaps the polymer is stronger on the real item, but can't say either way based on the info I have here.

But that's just it... how do you know that this is "low quality" from just an ebay ad?
...Unless someone on here has purchased the ebay one, no one can really speak to the quality of it.

However, why don't you buy one and let us know how it goes?

With so many manufacturers out in the market these days it is very hard to determine what level of quality any given part has been built to achieve.

Just my thoughts that if the price difference is enough I might try the cheap version and make my own decisions as to its quality for my use .

Herein lies the pitfall of purchasing an item from the internet. You are not able to inspect the item for yourself in the real world. You have to rely upon the assumptions that the descriptions are correct, the pictures are correct, the customer feedback is correct, the policies, diligence, and reputation of the website operator.

Buying any item sight unseen from an internet retailer demands that the consumer leverage all of their critical thinking abilities. The OP did this by asking the forum for help. That's a good thing. Now he (or she) is developing the critical thinking abilities on how to spot reproductions from genuine, increasing his (or her) ability to determine and assess credibility.

Gun enthusiasts are the best group of people I know. They are also the cheapest group I've ever dealt with.

This is true in general or else the adage "If the price is too good to be true, then it probably is" wouldn't exist. We're wired to attain what we need at the lowest cost, whatever that may be. It's such a strong instinct that it can temporarily override an individual's critical thinking abilities.
 
I bought a $26 (delivered) knockoff of the Radian Raptor ($90+) ambidextrous charging handle, because it got good reviews for it's intended purpose. I use it to charge a new round, but I don't beat on it like an operator on steroids. It has worked very well for me.
 
I've put together quite a few AR-15 platform rifles, everything from top end stuff with $200 muzzle breaks to low end entry level, where the owner bought airsoft components to try out the feel. There is a big variation in the quality of "like looking" parts. I guess it comes down to how you will be using the weapon. I bet the stock in question would hold up to an occasional range visit, but probably not too well smashing in a door or a skull. I'd personally go for the brand name part, but for some the $15 knock off would be more than fine.
 
I guess it comes down to how you will be using the weapon. I bet the stock in question would hold up to an occasional range visit, but probably not too well smashing in a door or a skull. I'd personally go for the brand name part, but for some the $15 knock off would be more than fine.

I doubt that there are very many folks on here using their Sport 2 to smash in doors or skulls. And if they are, they probably shouldn't be using a minimalist type stock, name brand or otherwise!
 
All depends on what you want out of your gun and how you use it. For many people the $15 stock is fine if they don't do anything except bench shoot.

I've spent enough money on cheap knockoffs to know to just buy what the proper accessory the first time because otherwise it's just money wasted.

Sent from my XT1650 using Tapatalk
 
Back
Top