LATEST UPDATE ON THE CIVILIAN MARKSMANSHIP PROGRAM 1911A1 PISTOLS!

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From the CMP web site:

In carrying out the Civilian Marksmanship Program, the corporation shall give priority to activities that benefit firearms safety, training, and competition for youth and that reach as many youth participants as possible.


Selling guns to the highest bidder is not in keeping with that mandate IMO. How many youths are going to be able to afford a $1000 handgun? If they could they would be far better off spending less money on a better gun. A used Sig P220 will shoot far better than your average military reject 1911.

I know they will sell the guns. But few will be sold to youths which is their mandate to serve. I used to respect what they were doing providing quality firearms at a rate that meant more people could own them - youths included. Now that seems to be second to seeing how much money they can bring in. This is a government financed operation. Why not just sell new 1911's for what they could get for them? Those would sell also. That is hardly the point of their mission. They have clearly spelled out functions to perform. Being a retailer for milsurp handguns is not part of their mandate.

I'm sure lots of people can afford those guns. But that isn't their function. They exist to get guns into the hands of people who might one day serve in the military. What I see is a lot of gun lovers willing to pay top dollar for a 1911 with military history. How exactly does that benefit the people they are supposed to serve? The people that will be buying these 1911's would be able to buy them elsewhere. The idea was to get guns in the hands of young shooters. I don't see that happening with this plan.

As for buying one if you want one that isn't my point at all. If I wanted one I'd already have one. I have all the guns I've really wanted to get over the years within reason. I could certainly afford a 1911 if I wanted one. But I think about a kid just out of high school wanting to learn to shoot. The CMP is supposed to serve their needs which has included in the past selling quality guns at cut rates to people like that. Selling guns at market prices does nothing to promote youth shooting. I'm not a youth. I don't need that. But there are those who might have been able to afford one of these 1911's if they were sold the way guns were sold in the past by CMP.

that assumed standard

I didn't assume anything. I looked up their role historically and currently as prescribed by the law that created the CMP. I read their own statements of purpose and it said several times they exist to serve young shooters. I wouldn't buy one of these guns no matter if they sold them at a discount or not. This isn't about me. I just would like to see the people the CMP was created to serve actually be served by the CMP.

Also don't mistake my statement of facts as me being "upset" over anything. It's no skin off my nose. I wouldn't buy one no matter what. I don't even like 1911's. There are better guns available for less money. I own some. I could certainly afford $1000 for one of these weapons if I chose to do so. You mistake my purpose for posting completely.
 
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I'll not argue. I simply provided a link to the facts. Folks can either accept them or not. FYI, the CMP receives no government funding so it's not a "government financed operation". Just another fact.
 
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Kinda like gun shops and just about every other business in America, huh?
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Except gun shops and other businesses don't exist to "promote marksmanship" like the CMP says it does. If the CMP is going to admit that they are a business like any other, then it's pretty sad.
 
Well if they sold all 55,000 or 70,000 or whatever to "youths" how far would that go in a country with millions of youths.
Why don't all the adults who bought ammo, guns, barrels etc return them to the CMP so it can adhere to it's principals and sell them solely to the young and future military ?

Since "youths" by definition can't buy these handguns/riles perhaps the CMP should have the parent/buyer sign an agreement to enlist their kids in the military once they come of age. That would satisfy the supposed mandate wouldn't it.


Oh, a Sig, AO or similar is not a USGI icon, and never will be. If I wanted a original 1911 copyI'd buy a RIA and take it for what it is, a copy and nothing more. Will the RIA shoot better? Probably, but I don't care.
 
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There will be many who will demand that the CMP DO "this" with the 1911's (If & when offered). Sales will have restrictions. Same restrictions that apply to previous Rifle & ammunition sales. PLUS more requirements yet to be determined (or announced).
There WILL be the inevitable "It's not fair" from those that cannot/will not meet the requirements. We've all heard & read them in every forum and gun club around the country.
PRICE. This will be determined by CMP Board of Directors. I'm certain they take into consideration condition, rarity & marketplace. They are NOT required to sell them BELOW market value.
CMP sells it's commodities to fund Shooting Programs with emphasis on youth training. They have developed matches in recent years to promote competition using these obsolete firearms. Otherwise, these firearms would be relegated to collector status.
The CMP gets an earful with each price or per-year-purchase change the Board makes. BUT ,they sell what they have & the shooting fund is sustained.
The forums WILL be filled with complaints upon the eventual release. Maybe someone will do a poll????

1)Too expensive for ME so I cannot buy as many as____

2)Too cheap so _____ bought too many and CMP did not save any for my Grandkids to buy ___ years from now.

3)Too many available so value of my collection went down.

4)My ___ served in ____ so even if I cannot afford ____ , I should have it anyway since taxpayers already paid for them once.

5)I need one, "for the children"

Anyway, Apologies for the rant. Moderators can delete if desired. No puppy in this parade anyway but If/When it happens, a comfortable chair & popcorn will suffice.
 
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I'll not argue. I simply provided a link to the facts. Folks can either accept them or not. FYI, the CMP receives no government funding so it's not a "government financed operation". Just another fact.

I think the CMP getting guns from the government at virtually no cost and selling them at market rates pretty much makes them government financed.
 
That's how they fund themselves. They get the most money they can for the stuff they get. Not sure if folks know that or even care?

That is the right way to dispose of public property
The value of these guns belongs to the citizens

If a public corporation tried to grind up valuable assets the directors would be hauled into court faster than you can say "derivative suit"
 
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Most of my retired military friends told me any 1911a1 they came across at a range during qualification, or being handed out for use was pretty well used and pretty beat up. Just look at the condition of those Colts 1911s that just came up for sale from the Marines. They were either new, or pretty tired looking. I can't say at this point if I will buy another 1911a1 from the CMP to go along with my '44 Remington Rand, but it looks like politically things are going in the right direction,2A wise, if we are even having this conversation. This is a good thing for gun owners a great thing for America.
 
And they said it wouldn't get done. Start saving those bottle caps.
I'm in for a few should they release these historical icons.

http://smith-wessonforum.com/firear...nced-post138911211.html?460977=#post138911211

Sorry, that story is 18 months old and was issued under a previous administration. The current initiative is to eliminate the previous administrations dribble them out in smaller lots strategy (which ended up being 0 in reality).

Fundamentally, we do not know what is going on with the 1911s at this stage other than there is a new bill in the House trying to get this all sorted out in an in-touch with reality manner.
 
Back in the DCM days of the 1950s-60s, many of the GI M1911A1s sold by DCM (at that time the DCMs price was around $20 each as I remember) were brand-new and in the box. I bought several of them, one being a US&S which was NIB, another was a Colt which was pretty close to new condition. I foolishly sold the US&S to a friend for about what I paid, as I already had several other .45s. Keep in mind that back then, you could walk into about any pawn shop in America and buy a GI .45 for $25-$30. Any of those .45s sold through CMP today will very likely have been heavily used, and most of the rarities (such as US&S) probably won't be found among them. I believe DCM (which was the predecessor of CMP) was actually a part of the Army. I bought several carbines, M1903A3s, and .45s, as I don't think there was a limit on the number purchases, except maybe some limit on how frequently you could buy them. As a shooter, I would personally opt to buy one of the new M1911A1 GI clones rather than through CMP. Why not buy a new gun which is probably just as well made as one of the beat-up WWII leftovers at what is likely to be a higher price?
 
I sure do hear a lot of sour grapes in all the threads that I have seen about these 1911s.

Isn't that the truth. It's the same old thing from some of the same ol' people in every thread here about these pistols.

You know, I started this thread just as a sort of little F.Y.I. thing. Thought it might interest some of the 1911 aficionados on the forum. I also started it because it ties in with our Second Amendment rights in a sort of indirect, but positive, way...but that must've went over some of your heads because you're too busy griping about prices or complaining about how the CMP conducts its business.

I swear, I haven't heard this much crying and whining and peeing and moaning since the last time I visited my cousin's pre-kindergarten daycare facility. Beats all I've ever seen.

Some of you guys need to grow up. What a bunch of party poopers.

Maybe I can get a moderator to lock this thread.

Y'all have a good day. Try to enjoy something once in a while.
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