Leapers Scope Mounting on OR

[foleydb]

Wondering if I can easily mount my new scope to my new S&W rifle? I bought a S&W M&P AR-15 OR today. I am not a gun expert, and this is for home defense/end of the world insurance only. I just reviewed lots of great posts here and then purchased a Leapers UTG 30mm SWAT 3-12x44 Illumination Enhancing Rifle Scope for my new rifle. I can't decipher all the jargon well enough to know if it will instantly attach to my rifle out of the package, or if I need some other connection. Once the scope is mounted I intend to take the rifle to the range to make sure it is adjusted correctly, then into the closet.

So, will I be good to go? Also, I'll apologize in advance for asking such basic questions of this audience.

 

[Lost Lake]

Don't mean to rain on your parade, but I can't see why anyone would want a scope on a home defense weapon, just way too many things to go wrong and impossible to use at distances under 50 feet. Maybe a 1 power scope would work but then it would only be to improve accuracy, which at home intruder distances is kind of a moot point.

It would be nice at the range though.

Maybe take it off when it goes in the closet. Put on a good set of iron sights and have the scope mount just above them when you need it.

 

[foleydb]

Thanks, but I prefer to be able to defend the home out to longer range.

Anyone out there know the answer about whether scopes that include mounting gear will attach directly to my new rifle? While I assume it will, I was hoping for confirmation since I've never done this, and would prefer to order what I need now, rather than wait another ten days after the scope arrives.

 

[BadKarmaZeroSix]

Im not familiar with the scope itself...u may need a simple "riser" to lift it high enough from the rail to clear the reticle size...do u have a link to the actual product that we can look at? There are some great optics guys on this forum that can prob let u know from the specs on the product...

 

[flyer91]

you will probably want to get a 1/2 inch riser rail to get it up a bit and clearing the charging handle.
Amazon sells these for <$20.
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But (because Lost Lake is right) a better deal for you might be to get a tip-off mount so you can remove the mounted 'and' zeroed scope without tools' for times that you want to use BUIS (back up iron sights).

Another thing you can do is to buy a set of 45º offset picatinny mounts (also at Amazon Amazon.com: UTAC 45 Degree Offset Picatinny/Weaver Rail Mount - Angle Mount: Sports & Outdoors@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41hC7foXPoL.@@AMEPARAM@@41hC7foXPoL) and mount a set of flip-up BUIS (Amazon again) like Magpul MBUS but metal, off to the right of the scope.
Then when you need to shoot "inside" your scope, you simply pop up the BUIS, roll the weapon to the left and bring the offset BUIS into use.
Although they do sell just the offset BUIS, I prefer to mount a set of the flip-ups (as described) because the weapon just stores better without the fixed ones snagging and tearing at your gun case, and are not in the way when beating the bush.

 

[foleydb]

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[cyphertext]

Thanks, but I prefer to be able to defend the home out to longer range.

Anyone out there know the answer about whether scopes that include mounting gear will attach directly to my new rifle? While I assume it will, I was hoping for confirmation since I've never done this, and would prefer to order what I need now, rather than wait another ten days after the scope arrives.

I agree with Lost Lake...at what range are you intending to "defend the home out to longer range"?

Unless you are going out past 100 yards, a red dot sight would serve you better for home defense.

 

[foleydb]

I have other weapons for in close, so I'm OK there. I'm thinking about 300 yards or so.

 

[BadKarmaZeroSix]

Aimpoint or eotech for home defense, add magnifier for upto 100 yds...or see zips thread on his new acog

 

[cyphertext]

I have other weapons for in close, so I'm OK there. I'm thinking about 300 yards or so.

In that case, it says it comes with some medium profile rings. Those will most likely get it to the right height. I would look at some other rings personally, as rings that come with a scope, especially a budget scope, are typically not high quality.

I would look at something like the Burris AR-PEPR mount. Or the Nikon M-223 mounts.

Scopes - rifle scopes, handgun scopes, hunting scopes by Burris Optics

Nikon M-223 XR 1-Piece Scope Mount Picatinny-Style 20 MOA Elevated

 

[Lost Lake]

I have other weapons for in close, so I'm OK there. I'm thinking about 300 yards or so.

Okay, I kind of thought since you said this was for home defense you would use it to defend your home... like in case someone came IN your home... If you are picking off coyotes at 300 yards, then yes a scope will be uber helpful. And the mount included should work just fine.

But a caution note: You will use what you train with. If you always train with the scope and expect to be able to use the weapon for close quarters combat you will be sorry.

I have my two AR's set up with iron sights. That's what I used in the Army and we had to prove ourselves to 300 meters. Granted they were big targets at 300 meters, not groundhogs. But I know I can still hit anything you put in front of me at 100 yards using the irons. I just have faith in them for bad situations...

Now target guns are different! I have a 24x on a .22 that I target shoot with at 50 feet! I can see my pulse in the crosshairs when I'm locked in....

 

[cyphertext]

Okay, I kind of thought since you said this was for home defense you would use it to defend your home... like in case someone came IN your home...

He has a really big home!

 

[wirtman]

Hey there to answer the original question, you will need a riser, 1/2 inch should do. They sell them everywhere and they aren't expensive. Mount the scope to the riser securely. Then using the t marks on the top rail of your rifle mount the riser/scope complex. Remember to mount it in front of your BUIS Troy preferably. (Make sure you have a BUIS especially with the UTG scope) I'm not knocking it it just isn't the best out there and although it works fine for many applications it can fail, especially in a tactical situation where it's banged, etc. I have one and it's pretty good, but I don't depend on it. Zero the scope. Remove the riser/scope complex. Re-install the scope/riser complex and ensure zero has held. It should hold. Then remove the scope/riser complex for storage. Never remove the scope from the riser. This will prevent the scope from unnecessary roughness while allowing you to maintain accuracy in the 300 yard range. I would spend more time practicing with irons also as they can be accurate up to 500 yards once you get used to them (again just in case the scope fails) This should allow you the best possible anti raving hoard protection for you and your loved ones at a reasonable distance. Hope this helps and good luck.

 

[foleydb]

Thanks all. I'll look forward to getting it all arranged. Now to find ammo and more mags, since they are all out of both here!