Ligh or not?

Venenoindy

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I'm looking to buy a range/battle belt holster and don't know if should I get a holster that accommodates a tactical light or not, I won't conceal carry with this holster but do plan to use to practice with it. Or is it a better optionn to skip the tactical light all together?
 
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Just a couple quick questions for clarification...

Are you saying you will conceal carry with this gun but just not with this holster? - Maybe a better question is what exactly is the purpose of the pistol...Fun, home defense, carry, etc.?

Do you have a light on your pistol now?

I am a fan of weapon mounted lights. You still need an independent hand-held light, but hand-held techniques are a distant second place to the speed, accuracy, and control of a weapon light. Of course, if your primary purpose for the pistol is carry, and you won't be mounting a light, then practicing with a tool you will not have accessible in a real situation seems like a waste of practice time, not to mention creation of serious training scars.
 
Griffon Industries, Raven, Bravo Company, RDR are the companies that come to mind... For a battle belt, Griffon would be tops on my list as they have a Molle attachment.
 
Griffon Industries, Raven, Bravo Company, RDR are the companies that come to mind... For a battle belt, Griffon would be tops on my list as they have a Molle attachment.

Raven is a concealment holster not a battle belt holster. They go as far as recommending other brands for battle belts
 
Just a couple quick questions for clarification...

Are you saying you will conceal carry with this gun but just not with this holster? - Maybe a better question is what exactly is the purpose of the pistol...Fun, home defense, carry, etc.?

Do you have a light on your pistol now?

I am a fan of weapon mounted lights. You still need an independent hand-held light, but hand-held techniques are a distant second place to the speed, accuracy, and control of a weapon light. Of course, if your primary purpose for the pistol is carry, and you won't be mounting a light, then practicing with a tool you will not have accessible in a real situation seems like a waste of practice time, not to mention creation of serious training scars.

I have a dedicated HD handgun that has a light attached and don't have plans to take that off, For CC I mainly carry my Shield but I also carry my FS M&P without a light when I can use clothes that conceal with.
 
Check out Fury Carry Solutions and G-Code for good battle belt set ups. The light or not is personal choice all together. I say "why not?"

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For home defense I'm not a fan of the weapon mounted light. Why? Because when you search with it, you'll be covering things you don't want to cover with your muzzle. Do you want to inspect that noise with your gun only to find that you're pointing your gun at the family pet or worse your kid?
 
Not a fan of lights for reasons noted above, among others. If you do go with a light, get the best training you can afford on how to use it.
 
Mistake of fact shootings do happen. Would you rather point the gun/light at someone and realize they are a family member before you shoot or shoot at an unidentified silhouette in the dark? Yep...You can grab a hand-held light, but you can do that with a weapon-light and cover all bases, loosing nothing. If your hand-held light rolls off the nightstand or you hit it getting up and it rolls behind the bed, you can search for it, leave it, or at least have something on your weapon.

Most well-designed weapon-lights, to include the Surefire X300 and X300 Ultra, the Streamlight TLR-1/TLR-2 and HL series provide enough light to see and identify friend or foe from a lowered "off-target" position if necessary as well.

For those that argue weapon-lights give away one's position, this could occur, but I'm no ninja, nor is anyone else I know. If the bad-guy has a flashlight and I don't, I have a big disadvantage. Even if the bad-guy doesn't have a flashlight, it's not like I'm going to disappear into the shadows. I've conducted dozens of tests involving low-light engagement and what I've found is even after the introduction of bright light, there is almost never a question where the defender is.

Many people cite the weapon-light being shot as a reason not to use them. At our simunitions training facility we had several weapon-lights shot in one academy class a few weeks ago...In broad daylight. People shoot at the gun, and if the light is mounted to the gun, they will shoot at the light. In fact, the majority of hand-held techniques place the light either right in front of or next to the head. Thus using a hand-held in this capacity is just as detrimental. Of course, there is the FBI/Modified FBI, but that's a disaster of a technique without significant and ongoing training and practice.

Based on what you've said, I'm not sure what you'd be "practicing" with a light-capable holster, as you won't be carrying the M&P with a light, and you have a different gun for HD. I'd be practicing with the HD gun out of a light-capable holster (or no holster, depending on how the range is set up) and with the carry guns out of carry-type holsters.
 
For home defense I'm not a fan of the weapon mounted light. Why? Because when you search with it, you'll be covering things you don't want to cover with your muzzle. Do you want to inspect that noise with your gun only to find that you're pointing your gun at the family pet or worse your kid?

That's a silly reason to not be a fan of weapons mounted lights. Those of us who use weapon mounted lights also utilize handheld lights as well. The weapon mounted light is just another tool, albeit one most people don't fully understand how to utilize.
 
That's a silly reason to not be a fan of weapons mounted lights. Those of us who use weapon mounted lights also utilize handheld lights as well. The weapon mounted light is just another tool, albeit one most people don't fully understand how to utilize.
OK, I get that. Still, if you have a handheld light, what's the purpose of the one mounted on the gun?

Further, I'm not a fan of having to use your trigger finger for anything other than the trigger. If you have a light that can be actuated with a normal firing grip, then OK. Otherwise, like the TLR-1, I see it as a detriment to operating the gun.

I claim no expertise here. These are just my observations and thoughts.
 
I've been pondering a weapon mounted light for quite some time. I've read some pretty good pros & cons in this thread. If I were to get one I'd probably get one with a laser included. To tell the truth I'm not a real big fan of either lights or lasers, lol. That's not saying I'd never get one. For bedside use it certainly has its advantages - both flashlight & laser. I have several LED lights near my bed & an old 3 cell mag light with a lead bottom from my security days close at hand.

Speaking of LED lights - I picked up 2 for $1 at Harbor Freight a week ago. They're too new to tell how they'd hold up. Sure handy for putting a charge in my night sights. When I left the building I first noticed the no firearms sign. I'm glad I conceal well, lol. That's the last time I go there.
 
OK, I get that. Still, if you have a handheld light, what's the purpose of the one mounted on the gun?

The one mounted on the gun is for shooting and when you can point your gun at something. It allows the user to use their support hand for other things (calling 911, using a radio, herding kids or other uninvolved people out of the way, picking up items, etc) while still allowing use of the light and weapon.

Law Enforcement operates under some different circumstances than the home defender (not different rules) in that when we clear a house or structure, we have generally made announcements that we are law enforcement entering and for anyone inside to make themselves known. Due to this we can form a reasonable expectation that anyone inside who is refusing to come out is a threat. Thus, operating with the weapon-light is more applicable.

For the home defender, we don't know if the "bump in the night" is a home-invader or our kid getting a snack. Therefore, utilizing a weapon-light as a primary means of identification is probably not ideal. Of course, all my family's bedrooms are together on the second floor. If I hear a commotion downstairs, the first thing I am going to do is confirm my family is safe and consolidate them. Once that is done, I have a reasonable belief anyone else inside the house is a threat. It's not a confirmation, and we must still identify threats, etc., but in that case, in my opinion, a weapon-light is justified. Even so, Just like i carry a spare mag with my carry gun, I would like a spare light. One well known trainer who is big into weapon-lights uses a lanyard with his hand-held so he can transition quickly to the weapon-light if necessary.

Another area where the weapon-light becomes a big benefit is in a reactive situation. A weapon-light is much faster and consistent in activating and shooting than obtaining a hand-held light/pistol grip technique. In gunfights time is of the essence and our ability to perceive what is going on, make a decision, and act on that decision drives the speed of our response. The faster we can observe, orient, decide and act (OODA loop), the more likely we will survive.

Further, I'm not a fan of having to use your trigger finger for anything other than the trigger. If you have a light that can be actuated with a normal firing grip, then OK. Otherwise, like the TLR-1, I see it as a detriment to operating the gun.

I claim no expertise here. These are just my observations and thoughts.

The two main weapon-light families (Surefire's "X" series and the Streamlight TLR 1 and 2 series) both have pressure switches that are unobtrusive and instinctive, though the Streamlight version is only available for Glock and S&W right now (unless they came out with new models very recently). I agree that the trigger finger should be used for the trigger, and that's why I'm a big advocate of the pressure switches (Surefire's DG switch and the Streamlight Contour switch). This way simply gripping the gun in a normal firing grip activates the light.

When using the factory toggle switch, we train, as do almost every other trainer I've seen, to use the support hand thumb to manipulate the switch. While this obviously works with the thumbs-forward grip, other grips don't work so well and that's were the pressure switches (or training in the more efficient thumbs-forward grip) becomes pretty-much mandatory.

The only time I teach trigger-finger manipulation of the toggle switch is in wounded shooter drills when firing the pistol one-handed. In this case, the toggle is activated into the constant-on mode and left on so that the shooter can concentrate on handling the problem, not manipulating a light.

So yes, I agree that manipulating the light with your trigger finger is not ideal, but if you have only one arm, you can't use the hand-held light and weapon at all together, so a "less-than-ideal" use of a weapon-light is still an advantage over no light at all.
 
I got a TLR-1 to check out. I thought it might be good for my nightstand gun. So, my opinions are not based on speculation, but my own experience with the light.

Mine didn't come with a pressure switch. Is that an accessory? I will do some more research. The addition of a pressure switch changes things considerably.
 
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I pretty much agree with SoCalDep.....taught tactical firearms for SWAT and Spec Op's for 25 years and as lights evolved they became an integral part of our gear....especially weapon mounted lights on our SMG's. AR's & Sgn's......I also instructed citizen shooters during this time frame and as post #10 points out, LEo's and citizens operate under different circumstances, .....If I am clearing a building, serving a warrant as an LEO I much prefer a wpn mntd light on my primary and secondary weapons....we are going in pointing guns regardless.....as a citizen instructor I prefer to search with a hand held light, and if desired have a light mntd on ur wpn....my primary concern is that with a wpn mntd light you are violating a basic safety tenet of firearms, pointing your gun at something you don't want to shoot.....my other BIG concern with a citizen using a wpn mntd light is "startle response"....that involuntary muscle contraction that occurs when you are surprised and startled by something unexpected....if your finger is on the trigger, I see a disaster possibly occurring.....and all of this also is dependent on the skill/training levels of the wpn handler.....I have conducted hundred's of force on force training classes in shooting houses in low light and darkness with LEO's and citizen's....with folks shooting one another with simmunitions....and it is most educational....bottom line is....you better be able to ID your potential threat, before you implement lethal force....and I am just not real comfortable with the majority of folks having a loaded gun pointed at whatever they are illuminating.
 
OK, I get that. Still, if you have a handheld light, what's the purpose of the one mounted on the gun?

Handheld light is for identifying if there is any question of identity or you do not know what is in an area, weaponlight is for identifying position of your target when you know there is a threat. Both should be used sparingly, but both can come in handy depending on the circumstance. Also keep in mind not all of use live with a house full of people, if it's you or yourself and a partner who's laying next to you and you hear a bump in the night come from within your house, there is no reason you can't use your weaponlight as your primary light.
 
Light/laser on pistol is how I go. I want to SEE what I am about to destroy! No second chances, no do over. Next best thing on the light, is that mine will blind. The safest way though is to have light switchs at both ends of the hall way so you do not have to go pass the bedroom door. My dad had those put in and had to use it once! My brother came home from the Air Force on leave and wanted to surprise them. All ended well.
 
I think the TLR-1 has a "paddle" switch, not a pressure switch.
 
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