Loading for M1 Garand, need some tips.

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Hi there, I've recently started loading for my M1 Garand in 30-06 and have some questions for those with experience with this. I want to duplicate the M2 ball load and have come up with a load of 48.0 of Varget with a standard primer under a 150gr bullet that shoots well. My question is with the generous chambers in the military rifles and the need(I think) to full length resize the case how many times should you reload a case? I am useing WW,RP and the Greek HXP caseings. Also other M1 gas system friendly loads for the 150 grain ball would be appreciated!
 
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There are Varget loads out there for the Garand, but for M2 ball duplication you should stick to IMR 4895. This is the original powder and has a perfect burn rate for the Garand's gas system. IMR 4064 is also an excellent choice, the military found it to be more accurate but it does not meter well through high speed equipment, thus they stuck with 4895.

The brass you are using is good but separate the HXP brass from commercial brass. Military cases require a slight reduction in charge, the HXP brass isn't too thick but the difference is about 1 gr from what I have seen.

For optimal feeding and brass life, do a minimal full length resize. Adjust your die so it sizes the cases just enough to chamber in the rifle, this may take a little experimenting if you haven't done this before. The important thing is to not screw the die all the way down and create excess headspace, this will reduce case life.

Cases can be reloaded a few times, it depends on who you ask. I'm going on three right now with a batch of HXP, no signs of failure. I probably will discard at five or maybe six even if they still look good, just to be safe. Look for signs of separation just above the web. A bright ring on the outside or run a tool across that area on the inside of the case and feel for a groove.

http://web.archive.org/web/20000620055732/home.att.net/~Masterpo/M1load.htm
 
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I've reloaded that Greek military brass 7X already and there's no signs of failure yet. I'm guessing it's because we really don't push the pressure limits with Garand ammo.
 
Thanks for the info all! I am running low on my stash of shooting M2 ball and decieded to start loading for the beast. Funny, I belong to the NRA and never thought about checking there, guess Im too used to handgun reloading to look out of the box. My other Garand is a Navy trophy rifle in 7.62 Nato and still have a ton of that on hand. Thanks again.
 
I did some research a while back so I could load some pig hunting ammo for my Roland Beaver Tanker 30/06 Garand.

I just used what are "standard" match loads, with the same weight hunting bullets.

Powders most recommended were IMR 3031, IMR 4895, and IMR 4064...

Since I have a bunch of IMR 3031 I used it. I was not concerned with the most fps, just good accuracy at proper Garand pressures...

If I was buying powder from scratch I would pick IMR 4895.

However my IMR 3031 loads are very accurate, and are easy on the gun, and function 100%.

The Garand is one of my most favorite rifles to shoot.
 
Thanks for the info all! I am running low on my stash of shooting M2 ball and decieded to start loading for the beast. Funny, I belong to the NRA and never thought about checking there, guess Im too used to handgun reloading to look out of the box. My other Garand is a Navy trophy rifle in 7.62 Nato and still have a ton of that on hand. Thanks again.


I use IMR 3031 for most of my 308 loads, especially in the 308 Garand, and the M1-A as well.
 
I've shot a ton of h414 over the years in the 30-06 & 308's. I've owned several garands over the years along with a couple of tanker garands. That powder does extremely well with different bullet weights and meters in any powder throw without a problem.

If you want to treat your m1 like a king check out midwy's website. They sell a adjustable gas plug for the grands/tanker grands (part #777146). These things are the cat meow, they flat out work. No more high pressure rounds that beat the rifle to death & a noticable increase in accuracy.
 
Hi there, I've recently started loading for my M1 Garand in 30-06 and have some questions for those with experience with this. I want to duplicate the M2 ball load and have come up with a load of 48.0 of Varget with a standard primer under a 150gr bullet that shoots well. My question is with the generous chambers in the military rifles and the need(I think) to full length resize the case how many times should you reload a case? I am useing WW,RP and the Greek HXP caseings. Also other M1 gas system friendly loads for the 150 grain ball would be appreciated!

Garands do have a reputation for loose chambers. Therefore, I would avoid the "small base" dies, as they are most-likely not going to be needed.

However, because of their floating firing pins and the risk of slam-fires, I would strongly suggest AGAINST partial-resizing or neck-sizing as well.

Because of these combination of factors, I've resorted to buying the RCBS X-die set in 30-06 to load all most Garand loads with. Once the case is trimmed .020" shorter than max length, you just full-length resize and load, and you should never have to re-trim your brass again. I just switched to this set-up, so I can't say how many loads I'll get, but this is what I think will be best.

With this system, I do not believe it will be necessary to use the heavier-cup thickness "mil-spec" primers from CCI (which are more expensive in my area, even though they're wholesaled at the same price...). If you can get the CCI-34s at a good price, no reason not to use them, though.

As far as loads, keep in mind that the Garand gas system was designed to work with powder loads between 44.0grs and 50.0grs. I would expect unreliable functioning below 44 and battering the gun (especially the op-rod) above 50.0grs. Also, it would be wise to stick to 50,000psi loads or lower. The proper port pressure for the Garand is between 9000 and 11,000psi, but it's near-impossible to find anyone who publishes the pressures of loads at the 23" down-the-barrel point.

Thus, most recommended powder charges are 46.0-48.0grs of medium-burning powders, such as Varget, IMR-4064, and IMR-4895, with medium-weight bullets (147gr to 173gr). You can also use several other powders, including RL-15, Norma-202, H-4895, AA-2495, AA-2520, and Ramshot TAC with that range of bullet weights. (Find published loads that stay around or below 50,000psi and have powder mass of 46.0-48.0grs and you'll be fine. Often, they are the starting loads for these powders with these bullet weights.)
 
I forgot to post that gas-op rod friendly load you asked about. I've found 47.0gr IMR-4895 is the "classic" Garand load. When using H4895 I use less, sometimes a full 2 grains less depending upon the brass being used. I use a chrono to regulate the charge to match the 47.0gr IMR-4895 load.
 

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