M&P Shield questions.

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Hi all, I'm new to the forum so forgive me if these couple of questions have been asked before. I received a 9mm Performance Center Shield for Christmas. From what I understand the Performance Center versions have better triggers than the standard version, but I'm looking for a little less pre and post travel and am wondering if the Apex Action Enhancement trigger would be a worthwhile upgrade? Does it clean up pre and post travel fairly well? This is not a 2.0 Shield so I don't know if the Duty/Carry kit is available for it, if that is the route I'd need to go?


Also, new to pistols and carrying and am wondering about the affect the ported barrel on my Performance Center Shield has on muzzle velocity? In watching some ballistic tests on YouTube with the 3.1" barrel Shield, some of the JHPs didn't expand well or didn't expand at all when going through several layers of denim. I am thinking the ported barrel on that short of a barrel is going to really affect muzzle velocity and therefore expansion. My thoughts are to put a drop in Alpha Wolf barrel to eliminate the porting and gain some muzzle velocity.



I realize that even though the bullet doesn't expand it still punches a hole, but in the event of a self defense situation, I'd like to do a little more than punch a hole.


Any thoughts or opinions shared, will be greatly appreciated
 
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You can definitely add an Apex kit to your PC Shield and it's an absolutely different animal once you do. As for loss of muzzle velocity with the ported barrel, it will be negligible, but you have to realize that you have a pistol with a 3" barrel so it's already on the lower end vs 4" or 5" barrels...it's just the nature of the beast with a small CCW. I myself don't care for ported barrels on defensive guns regardless of velocity loss, but that's just me.

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I always thought the trigger on my Performance Center Shield was pretty good as is, it and the .45 Shield have such good triggers I left them alone, but went the Apex route on all the fullsize M&Ps I've had.

I eventually got another ported barrel in 9mm (Remsport) to go on my PC .40.
I fired them against a friend's unported 9mm and .40 and with the .40, I could tell a reduction in recoil.
With the 9mm I couldn't tell that the porting makes any difference.

I chronographed loads when I got that PC 4 years ago, and the velocity loss is so slight as to not be an issue at all.
I wouldn't bother to get another barrel just because you think there is a significant loss, there isn't.

I don't know which Youtube videos you saw, or what bullets they used, but some of the better 9mm loads will expand reliably even if the impact velocity is less.
Check the Lucky Gunner tests, especially the HST, Gold Dot and Winchester Ranger-T loads.
 
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You say you are new to pistols and carrying. What gun experience do you have? Just curious, as you are wanting to alter a gun that is already pretty good overall. Not that there is not room to personalize it to your tastes, but I am wondering if you are simply reading things on the internet, and wanting to modify it based on that.

Congrats on the new Shield.
 
What little amount of velocity you would gain by replacing your ported barrel really means nothing as far as bullet performance. The Shield PC guns have pretty good triggers for what you are getting at the price point of a Shield. The pre and post travel you speak of have to do with a striker fired gun. Spend some time getting used to your new Shield and with practice you will figure out your abilities with what you have. The Apex kits were an improvement over a Shield 1.0 but my Shield 2.0 is as good as my 1.0 with a kit installed.
 
Wow, thanks for all the responses guys, they are greatly appreciated! As far as my experience with handguns goes. It's not extensive. I currently have the Shield and a LCP in .380 ACP. I've barely fired the Shield as of yet. Barely over 50 rounds. I also had an H&R 22/22 magnum that I used for trap line duty and plinking, and a Ruger Black Hawk in .357 magnum. I sold both of the revolvers years ago.



As for my current Shield. It's a 1.0 Performance Center version of the Shield. In reading they say it's a better trigger than what was on the standard version, but with my limited experience, it just feels a little sloppy to me. I was just wondering how much the Apex Enhanced Action trigger kit would firm it up.


As far as the ported barrel and muzzle velocity goes, I'll trust what you guys are saying. Oh and the Youtube videos I watched were by the Lucky Gunner. The HST performed beautifully in the heavy clothing test, but the Gold Dot, not so much, and is actually the reason I am questioning muzzle velocity.



As was said, this is already a short barrel and in my book the porting effectively shortens it slightly more.


Anyhow, once again I really appreciate you guys taking the time to reply and share your opinions. They are more appreciated than you know.
 
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A lot of people just don't like the hinged trigger of the M&Ps, me being one of them and just changing that to a "normal" trigger with the dingus safety makes a huge improvement to me and just feels right and familiar. I did a simple change on my Shield just swapping out the stock trigger for a Hyve trigger shoe, with no other changes and it felt and shot a lot better to. So to the Op you may want to just pick one of those up on the cheap and try that before investing in the entire Apex kit, just a thought...

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the Youtube videos I watched were by the Lucky Gunner. The HST performed beautifully in the heavy clothing test, but the Gold Dot, not so much, and is actually the reason I am questioning muzzle velocity. ( c/o post #8 )

The HST loads might look better than the Gold Dot loads but.........

From a 3" Kahr and a 3.5 CP 9mm pistol, both loads have enough penetration and expansion to work correctly, in the 124 gr JHP weights.

Don't let just one test from a site make you think that these are not quality SD loadings. One might be just a little better than the other in over all dia, expansion.
 
Apex Tactical does make the trigger kit for the original Shield that will both "reduce trigger pre-travel and over-travel." It is Apex SKU#100-050. (Action Enhancement Trigger for M&P Shield).

Don't sweat the loss in velocity as it will not lesson your chances of stopping an attacker. I know I'll probably receive some flack for this, but let me explain. For those interested, read on. If not, I won't be offended.

9mm is very effective in part because it is about as good as the other calibers even when using BALL ammo (full metal jacket, a.k.a. FMJ). The military has understood this for decades. We were never signatories of the Hague conventions which prohibit dumb dumb bullets (hollow points), so if they really thought it was critical they could have used them, but for logistical reasons regarding NATO, it my understanding they conformed by using FMJ ammo.

Of course the military has different needs than civilians, but the Buckeye Firearms Association study in my state of Ohio sampled about 1800 bodies shot with the various calibers in civilian/law enforcement situations (as opposed to military encounters), and not only did 9mm hold its own against .40 and .45 and even .44 Magnum (regarding its failure to incapacitate rate), but it was the only caliber where MORE THAN HALF of the bullets were FMJ!

Ask any trauma room surgeon, especially one familiar with firearm ballistics, and they'll tell you it's always worse when the bullet stays in the body (or barely leaves) because most of the bullet's energy will remain inside the body to do damage (instead of passing through and wasting most of its energy).

This is why .44 Magnum, which is TWICE as powerful as 9mm, also tied it with a 13% failure rate along with .40 S&W (.45 ACP had a 14% failure rate which is within the margin of error). As one medical doctor wrote, he had never seen a .44 Magnum stay in the body. This is important in such a powerful caliber because when it leaves the body, half the energy goes along with it, so its failure to incapacitate rate is tied with the 9mm sample for this reason (again, MORE THAN HALF OF WHICH WERE FULL METAL JACKET ROUNDS).

The FMJs gangbanger-types use (who make up the plurality if not the majority of shootings in our nation) are typically not loaded as hot as hollow points (this is not always true, but it's true most of the time). So whatever velocity you lose from porting a 3.1" barrel will not make a difference.

This opinion is also substantiated with the results form .380 ACP. While .25 ACP and .32 ACP had a failure to incapacitate rate of 35%-40 %, .380 ACP was only 16%. This was certainly within the margin of error of .45 ACP (which had a 14% failure rate)! And like 9mm, most people shooting .380 ACP carry FMJs (or at least they did about ten years ago when this study came out: An Alternate Look at Handgun Stopping Power | Buckeye Firearms Association).

I'm not advocating that we should all shoot 9mm and .380 ACP with FMJ bullets. I'm just making the point that what's critical to their effectiveness is that they have less power when compared to .40 S&W, .45 ACP, .357 SIG, etc. so they typically either stay in the body or leave it with comparatively little energy left over.

Remember, the purpose of HP bullets, contrary to popular belief, is not primarily to shred tissue because the permanent wound cavity will almost always far surpass the diameter of the bullets after they have expanded properly. The purpose of HP bullets are to slam on the breaks and prevent over penetration to conserve energy to do as much damage as possible.

I heard one person with a large Youtube channel claim it's better that a bullet leaves the body so that blood has somewhere to go, but I confirmed with more than one trauma room surgeon that this is not true because there is more than enough room in the body cavity for a person to RAPIDLY bleed out (which is what you need to happen if you can't take out the central nervous system). That YouTube personality, who will remain nameless, is a loudmouth who says a lot of stupid things and I don't know why people still subscribe to him.

Anyway, I apologize for the long post, but I wanted to explain how the slight loss in velocity is absolutely nothing to worry about (it may even help in some situations). Anyone who buys an aftermarket barrel for a ported Shield to compensate for the few fps lost is utterly wasting their money in my opinion unless accuracy is that important to them (with the caveat that they see it improve). Some aftermarket barrels do increase accuracy, but most either don't or do not improve it significantly. If you read the study I linked carefully, the increase in accuracy of .45 ACP and .44 Magnum did absolutely NOTHING to prevent them from failing to incapacitate as much as the other less accurate calibers. Most pistols have all the practical accuracy they need for 99.9% of gunfights (people trained to take headshots in hostage situations would clearly be an exception), but I don't knock wanting increased accuracy because it inspires confidence when training in my opinion.

I love my Performance Center Shield. I bought it last year in lieu of a P365 even though I am a big SIG fan (I carry a P229 chambered in .357 SIG as well). I have a lot of confidence in the mighty Shield. I'm not knocking the P365, but the track record of the Shield was worth losing a couple of rounds (I carry my Shield appendix in its 8+1 configuration). I actually opted not to get an Apex trigger despite the trigger being horrible for a performance center trigger when I first got it. But somewhere after a thousand rounds the trigger improved dramatically, and it pulls as well as the SA triggers of both my $1,100 SIG P229 and my $800 LTT Beretta PX4 Storm compact. I'm not claiming the pistol is as accurate, but the trigger itself is great. No, it's not as smooth perhaps, but I get zero front sight disruption when I dry practice with my Shield and the pistol is very accurate for the type in live fire. The reset is a little better on those other guns (which have also been upgraded), but it's a great trigger nonetheless in my opinion. Heck, I even liked the one in my original 1.0 Shield. If the sight doesn't move dry practicing, I'm generally pretty happy.

Anyway, I hope I answered all your questions. You should have complete confidence in your awesome PC Shield despite the porting!

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As far as my experience with handguns goes. It's not extensive. I currently have the Shield and a LCP in .380 ACP. I've barely fired the Shield as of yet. Barely over 50 rounds.

We own two M&P 1.0 9mm pistols. One is in factory stock condition and the other has APEX Duty Trigger Kit so we have done side by side comparison. My wife and I both love the APEX Duty Trigger Kit as it makes the 1.0 feel like a whole different gun.

We have also owned two Shield 1.0 9mms. I gave one to my daughter and the other to my wife for conceal carry. With the Shield all three of us like the factory trigger. It is surprising since we like the APEX in the larger gun but there are enough differences between them that we don't see the need to change the Shield's trigger.

I also suggest you do more shooting before changing anything. I realize that with the panic the difficulty affording to buy enough ammunition to practice regularly but that is actually the reason not to change anything on a gun you don't have much experience with. There is no substitute for actually firing live ammunition.


As far as velocity from a short barrel don't worry about it. Generally speaking 9mm JHP bullets need to be traveling faster than 1100 fps to expand reliably. With that short barrel most 9mm will not reach that threshold.

Ammo Quest Shooting the Bull short barrel 9mm ammunition tests on Youtube are professionally done using a 3" barrel Colt. The tests are a bit old so some ammo may not have been tested. None the less the tests are performed to FBI standards and some of the results are surprising.
 
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Once again, I am blown away by the responses. Thank you VERY much guys. Seriously!


In my younger days I used to be a bit of a ballistics head, so I definitely understand wanting the bullet to release its' energy inside the body being targeted. And thank you for that explanation, and the findings of the trauma surgeons. I read every word.



As far as the trigger goes, I will definitely fire it more before I make the decision on weather to change it, or not. I do love the gun, it shoots really really nice.



As far as changing the ported barrel goes. It's not really an accuracy thing, as I was surprised how accurate I was able to be with the limited number of rounds I've put through it. Then again I have only shot up to 30' and that is more than enough for any self defense situation I would probably find myself in.



And boy you aren't kidding about the cost of rounds right now. Even more difficult seems to be finding some place that actually has quality rounds even in stock.


Thanks again for the awesome responses. They truly are very much appreciated.
 
I found that after shooting the Shield 1.0 quite a lot, the trigger just gets better. I would say money spent on ammo serves two purposes, it definitely smoothed out the trigger, though mine wasn't bad initially, and of course it helped me get better with the gun. Sadly at this point in time, it's more difficult to get the ammo needed to shoot like I once did.
 

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