M&P9 vs 92FS question

Jonny Cannon

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Hello. I'm new to this forum, but am a member on a few others. I have a new M&P9, a Browning Buckmark URX, and a Desert Eagle .50. They all have their places, and I really enjoy my time at the range with each of them.

I have to say I love the M&P9. It is very easy to shoot, and shoot well, and it is quick to point out the errors I make. It fits and I enjoy it.

I was looking at purchasing another 9mm to add to the collection. I must say, I have spent a long time wondering if I shouldn't have purchased a Beretta M92FS in the first place. I understand the physical differences between the two, but I have never fired one.

Does anyone on the forum here have one they could offer some input on? I've often wondered if I made the right choice.

Thanks in advance.

Cannon
 
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I had a 92 for awhile and really wanted to like it, but ended up trading it away. It did not seem particularly accurate for me, at least in the vertical plane. The external trigger bar on the right side was quite annoying (though I am a lefty and my thumb tended to ride up against it). Finally, and fwiw, it is quite large and heavy (those weren't the big issues for me). I shoot my 9c better and kept that. In the double-stack 9 area, I liked the CZ 75 and the Sig p226 better than the Beretta. But there is much personal preference in all of these things....
 
Aside from both being 9mm, they're two different animals. I was contemplating an M-9 initially too. Decided on the M&P, never looked back. MHO you understand.
 
I've owned two Beretta 90-series pistols.

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92-Compact Type L (left). 92fs (right).

The 92fs is a great pistol. The 92fs uses a falling locking block design inspired by the Walther P38/P1. Since it's not a Browning type tilt barrel, rounds from the magazine feed almost directly inline with the barrel, reducing the probability of failure to feed issues. Since it has an open slide design, the probability of failures to eject & stove-pipes is greatly diminished.

The most recent 90-series pistols have improved locking blocks and integral recoil buffers in the frame. This increases longevity of the pistol. The barrel is chrome lined, making for easier cleaning & maintenance. If you are mechanically inclined, detail stripping & replacing wear parts is not a problem.

The double action trigger pull is stout, but with a clean predictable break. The single action trigger pull is, to me, feather light. The 92fs has stock 3 dot sight set up. Keep in mind that on a 92fs the front sight blade is fixed. The rear is dove-tailed. This means that you can not easily mount a front night sight to it. The 92fs dust cover is smooth, no rail for accessories.

The fit and finish of the 92fs, whether made in the USA or Italy, is superb. Rack the slide, and it feels as if it's riding on greased bearings. The exterior finish on the slide reminds me of teflon.

There are variants in the Beretta 90-series line. If you have the chance, you might want to handle all of them.

M9 = Less radius cut on the backstrap by the beaver tail making it less comfortable for smaller hands. Dot over dot sight set up. Front and rear sights are dove-tailed.

M9A1 = all of the above + accessory rail

92A1 = The same radius cut on the backstrap by the beaver tail as the 92fs, making it more comfortable for smaller hands. Three dot sight setup. Front and rear sights are dove-tailed. Accessory rail.

These are the 4 commonly encountered types of Beretta 90-series. There are variations within the line. Compact Type L, Compact Type M, Brigadier, Centurion, Inox, etc.

My opinion.

1. Handle a 92fs. If possible, rent one and feel it under live fire. There are no back strap adjustments like on the M&P 9fs. The 92fs will either be comfortable or not. The only adjustment you can make is in the side grip panels: buy after market thinner or thicker ones.

2. If you are planning to use a Beretta 90-series as a home defense handgun, buy the 92A1 or M9A1 so you get the accessory rail & dove tailed sights.

3. When you handle the 92fs, really make sure to try engaging and disengaging the frame mounted safety with your strong hand thumb. I never liked the slide mounted safety. It's in an ergonomically awkward spot for me. Engaging & disengaging the safety was never an easy flick of the thumb for me. This is the reason why the Beretta's I had turned into trading fodder over the years.

4. Handle the Beretta 90-serie's Brazilian cousin, the Taurus PT92. Beretta used to manufacture the 90-series in Brazil for the Brazilian military. Beretta exited the country in the late 70's, and Taurus bought the machining & factory. The Beretta 90-series & Taurus are similar, but took different evolutionary paths. The most evident evolutionary fork is that the Taurus PT92 kept the frame mounted safety of the original Beretta 92.

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I recently purchased a mint condition, used Taurus PT92. The frame mounted safety is superb. It can be engaged hammer down, so your first pull is DA. It can also be engaged with the hammer cocked & locked, similar to a 1911. Some will disparage Taurus semi-auto pistols. It could just be me, but there is a felt difference in the Taurus grip. The backstrap & radius on the PT92 are more comfortable in my smaller hands. IMO, the PT92 is the one semi-auto is the only Taurus semi-auto I will and have purchased.

If you have an itch for a metal framed 9mm, you should also take a look at the CZ75 family of pistols. All steel construction. Frame over slide, full length rail, low bore axis, frame mounted safety.
 
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Good info, JaPes. I was also wondering about these. So where would a PX4 Storm fit in these two categories of guns? How is it different from the 92 series. Thanks from Southern IL. By the way, the lgs shelves are picked clean, down here. Still waiting on my M&P 9 order to arrive.
 
John covered the subject very well. Just a few additional thoughts.

The 92 series guns evolved from a model first introduced in the 1950s. It feels big and blocky to (my) average-sized hands but is easy to shoot; not so easy to manipulate the decocker/safety. Up until recently, magazines and accessories were very easy to find, don't know if that changed with the current run on everything. One nice advantage is the availability of .22 conversion units and 96 slides and magazines, so your 9 mm can be a .22 and a .40 S & W also.

Bottom line, however, is if you like the M & P 9 you don't need to feel you missed out by not having a 92FS.
 
I own both the 92fs and an M&P40 that I primarily shoot 9mm from using a 9mm barrel and mags. This is a feature that can also be utilized on the Beretta if you buy a 96fs (.40 cal version of the 92fs). I shoot both well although for concentrated target shooting I can get tighter groups with the Beretta. It is not enough of a difference though to choose one over the other unless you are looking strickly for a paper puncher. Both have proven to be absolutely reliable. I bought the Beretta with the idea in mind I would compare it to the M&P and decide which I want to keep. By installing a "D" spring on my Beretta it halved the DA trigger pull and lightened the SA pull to about 3.5 pounds. It has the exposed hammer I grew up with and is a true SA/DA action which I like. Ergonomicly it is sort of a brick. In the end, the two pistols are so unlike each other that it is impossible for me to choose one over the other so now I'm stuck with both pistols. the CZ75's mentioned by japes are nice. They can be difficult to find though and the market is not flooded with parts like they are with the beretta. One other thing about the Betetta (and this may have been a factor in my purchasing one) is that to me they definately come out on top in the looks department.
 
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Good info, JaPes. I was also wondering about these. So where would a PX4 Storm fit in these two categories of guns? How is it different from the 92 series. Thanks from Southern IL. By the way, the lgs shelves are picked clean, down here. Still waiting on my M&P 9 order to arrive.

I used to own a PX4 Storm full size chambered in 40 S&W. The action of the PX4 is different from the falling locking block or the Browning tilt action. The Px4 uses a locking lug that mates to a groove in the barrel. The barrel rotates as it unlocks. Rounds feed from the mag directly inline with the barrel.

The PX4 mitigates perceived recoil by radially dissipating a portion of the recoil energy. It has a polymer frame with a replaceable blackstrap system. The trigger feels similar to a 90-series.

The PX4 has a slide mounted safety that flares out. The slide is finished I'm Beretta's superb Brunitron finish, feels like a Teflon coated fry pan. If your hand slips when racking the slide, your hand will get dinged by the flared safety. You can install flush mount safety levers sold by Beretta to remedy it.

The barrel is chrome lined. It's a very easy pistol to maintain. Accurate as any other pistol I've owned. I got rid of mine because I eliminated pistols chambered in 40 S&W from my collection. I'm always on the lookout for a good deal on a used PX4 full size chambered in 9mm.

If you're considering a PX4, take a look at a Stoeger Cougar. Similar action, metal frame.

Best advice: buy them all! :)
 
I own a 92, The M&P compared to the 92 are two different animals so to say. For CCW Id opt for the M&P! The 92 is great quality and a fine shooter

I opted for the 92 as I never owned one and could not be happier with my decision If you are looking for another 9 and do not mind a different platform the 92s are quality and offer up accuracy and reliability. They are heavier and a bit big. If you are serious about a 92/96 I would suggest a Brigadier they have a bit heavier slide and is dovetailed for front and rear sights.

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I note no one has mentioned Beretta's pathetic service issues. They could care less about customers, it's slow, slack and everything has to run through a dealer. Let me give you just one example, I buy a PX4 from the 7th largest GS in America and a M&P from my LGS. They are 45 minutes apart, both were bought in person.

I by random chance have a bad mag in each:

I call S&W and tell them I'm not very happy, they send me a new mag that day and a postage paid envelope to send the bad one back in. No charge. Wonderful Service, as always.

I call Beretta, they tell me they do not handle customer issues, that I need to take to the GS, if the GS has one, they might swap me, if not, they'll have to send in back and if I'm lucky, I'll get a new one in 6-8 weeks. I made it a point to tell the "customer Service" supervisor where he could stick it and that I would be taking the gun back and demanding my money back, which I got. The GS owners response, "I'll give you your money back as a credit, I understand. He says, I _______hate, ___________ Beretta, I buy millions of dollars a year worth of their junk, yet they do not service me any better than they did you. I'll be glad when the market shifts away from them, I can't wait to tell them where to go." Forget me, can you imagine telling a guy that does as much business with them as he does, no it's our way and it's crappy? To give you an idea of this store's scale, I saw on the news where he sold over $1,000,000.00 worth of guns in a day last month.

Never again will a Beretta darken my safe, they are nice guns, but not worth the hassle if they go bad.

M&P for the customer service alone, much less the better reliability, ergonomics, weight etc.

JMO
 
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Can't say anything about the Beretta as I'm A die hard Sig 228 owner. Berettas are traded, Sigs are kept.
 
If you are wanting a full size, aluminum frame, double action auto, the Beretta is a good choice. They are a very reliable, well built pistol. The military has used them since 1985, they are not a piece of junk.
 
JaPes makes some good points.... I have had the Beretta and the Taurus...Now people can say whatever they want about the 92FS and the PT92 however ahving owned both you will not convince me one was better than the other, I had both guns apart and both into my local(at the time) gunsmith and had work done on both, and i was just as accurate with either.However having said that If I were to go out TODAY and purchase a Non "tupperware" full metal 9mm I would have to give some serious thought to the CZ line...It doesnt hurt the fact that having (Ghost Products CZ Custom Shop) here in town, but I can buy a 75 series either the B, BD or Non lettered version in 9mm for $462 and have any of the custom work done right here. And having said that comparing a "tuned" CZ to a "tuned" 92 (fs or PT) is not a fair comparison in my opinion. However being a M&P owner i am not in a huge rush to go out and get a FS, PT or CZ for what i am doing with my 9's. If I were to get into competition shooting I might, but then again I'm not so sure. I can tell you out of the box the 92 FS, PT or the CZ will be as accurate as you make it. becassue of the weight difference you will have less felt recoil over any of the polymer framed guns. My advice as with any gun purchase (and I'm one of the cant have enough i the safe types) is to go and try one or all out more than once, I do not feel that going to a range 1 time and throwing 20-50 rounds through a "range" gun is going to give you a accurate picture of what the gun is capable of. I think and this is what i usually do is go once and put at least 50 rounds through, and wait a week and go back and try again then compare your results. I figure if you are going to invest $400 + into a firearm, you had best make sure your happy with it, and its happy with you, and generally that 1st time firing you tend to sometimes overlook some things that you will pick up on that 2nd time around (good or bad). I know I rambled a bit here and sorry for that just my 2 cents.

JC
 
All very good advice, and much appreciated. I have grown to love the M&P 9mm, as was indicated, after much time at the range. I was initially not too pleased with the trigger, but am now used to it, and can shoot taking this into account. If I take up competitive shooting and become proficient, I may look at upgrading or something. If I win the lottery any time soon I may purchase a Kimber .45 lol.

Thank-you to all for your much appreciated and valuable input. I have much to consider.

Cannon
 
I agree Beretta's customer service sucks big time, but you will rarely (if ever) need it. I've owned probably 10 Beretta's, and am left with only one, a civilian marked M9. None of them were ever bad or required me sending them in. Their quality is top notch, so odds are, you won't ever need to, either. Rack the slide on a 92 and it feels like it's rolling on greased ball bearings. M&P? Not nearly as smooth. S&W service IS top notch, and the offer a LIFETIME warranty, with shipping covered, no questions asked. beretta only has a one year warranty. As for the bad mag, I agree Beretta should have done right. You don't need an FFL to send in or receive a magazine. For me, I would have bought a new mag while the bad one was sent in. Beretta mags are cheap. I also would not have accepted the "maybe you'll get a new mag" excuse. Insist on speaking to a supervisor and inform him if he does not make it right that you will go above his head.
 
I agree Beretta's customer service sucks big time, but you will rarely (if ever) need it. I've owned probably 10 Beretta's, and am left with only one, a civilian marked M9. None of them were ever bad or required me sending them in. Their quality is top notch, so odds are, you won't ever need to, either. Rack the slide on a 92 and it feels like it's rolling on greased ball bearings. M&P? Not nearly as smooth. S&W service IS top notch, and the offer a LIFETIME warranty, with shipping covered, no questions asked. beretta only has a one year warranty. As for the bad mag, I agree Beretta should have done right. You don't need an FFL to send in or receive a magazine. For me, I would have bought a new mag while the bad one was sent in. Beretta mags are cheap. I also would not have accepted the "maybe you'll get a new mag" excuse. Insist on speaking to a supervisor and inform him if he does not make it right that you will go above his head.

Oh, I had plenty off extra's I had bought, but it was the principle, and if you can believe it, that was the supervisor who told me that. I ranted to zero effect.
 
Oh, I had plenty off extra's I had bought, but it was the principle, and if you can believe it, that was the supervisor who told me that. I ranted to zero effect.

I believe you, but I would have called the president himself. I once got hosed big time at a Pepboys. Work was never right and I was inconvenienced like you wouldn't believe. Store manager wouldn't give me anything. I sent a letter to the corporate headquarters on a Monday. On Thursday, I get a phone call from the regional manager. he authorized a complete refund on ALL work done, even the work they didn't screw up. The squeaky wheel gets the grease, you know?

But Beretta's CS sucks royally, no doubt. S&W and Ruger rule the roost in thaty regard. I know a guy who bought a Security Six 30 years ago and shot the hell out of it with hot .357. It became danaged and he sent it back to Ruger for repair. Ruger couldn;t fix it, so they offered him a brand new GP100 for $350, shipped right to his door!
 
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