May God bless the USS Zumwalt, and all who sail on her.

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On Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day 2015, the USS Zumwalt, DDG-1000, the lead ship of the Zumwalt-class destroyers, departed Bath Iron Works on the Kennebec river, to begin sea trials.

Congratulations to the shipbuilders at BIW for continuing their fine tradition of shipbuilding. And fair seas and good hunting to her sailors.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uODo63d3exk[/ame]

Zumwalt‍ '​s commanding officer is Captain James Kirk.
 
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His Zgrams made for the most bad moral in the Navy in my 32 years! :(
Sounds like he got the message and tried to make amends.

Z-gram 30 (23 September 1970): established "hard-rock" officers' clubs for junior officers at five naval bases and encouraged other naval base officers' clubs to allow at least one room for casual dress, encourage unescorted young ladies to visit the clubs, and appoint younger officers to advise club managers about other measures to improve morale of junior officers.

Z-gram 35 (25 September 1970): authorized alcoholic beverages in barracks and beer vending machines in senior enlisted barracks.
 
Sorry, it's UGLY. I think they should go back to building destroyers with the traditional look (WWII era) and modern weaponry.
Of all the forum members, I would have thought the airmen would understand the need for low-observable shapes in today's anti-ship missile threat environment. It's the Navy's F-117.
 
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it may float but that's about it. I think they are planning on the enemy to die laughing.
I worked on the design and construction of the previous class of Destroyers, the USS Arleigh Burke - DDG-51, and this platform has better specs.

It has the same main armament system, the VLS, vertical launch missile system modules. The AGS, advanced gun system, provides longer range, naval gunfire support. The electrical power system is designed to provide power to the next generation of laser weapons and rail guns. All in a low radar cross-section.

I doubt the enemy's of this country will be happy knowing this platform is in their neighborhood.
 
Sorry, it's UGLY. I think they should go back to building destroyers with the traditional look (WWII era) and modern weaponry.
Yea who wants a battle ship with a radar section of a fishing boat armed with 80 guided missiles, 2 x 155mm guns, 920 155mm guns and more. Neh let's worry more about what's pleasing to the eye. That's what wins wars/battles.
Let me know when you can take a shell and launch it 1500 miles and guide it to the target
it may float but that's about it. I think they are planning on the enemy to die laughing.
 
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When the design of this ship hull was tested in Lake Pend Oreille Navy's DDG-1000 Zumwalt Class Destroyer that features a trapezoidal design and a unique tumblehome hull. This hull configuration is highly controversial as analysts have noted that it may be less than stable in rough seas or during high-speed maneuvers.
Lets see how it does in a sea state of 4 or 5 for any length of time.
Nature has a way of disrupting the designs of man who think they know all.
Smaller crew, what happens when some are lost and damage control is needed?
I predict it will go the same way as the submarine Sea Wolf project.
Only two built, the second is the USS Jimmy Carter.
No more will be built.
 
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....it may be less than stable in rough seas or during high-speed maneuvers.
Lets see how it does in a sea state of 4 or 5 for any length of time.
Hence the need for "sea trials".

This is one of those paradigm shifting platforms, like the aircraft carrier was to the battleship. We will learn from this and adapt. The current ability and availability of anti-ship missiles puts all our surface ships at increasing risk to an expanding pool of foes. Either we think outside the box with designs like this, or accept area denial and mass casualties as the norm.

Even Eugene Stoner's rifle design needed tweaks to become respected.
 
Isn't the F-117 already out of service?
Yes...and Edge Waves in the Physical Theory of Diffraction, which the F117 design was based on, is a stealth principle which is still effective today.

Really folks?.. This post was just well wishing for the people we send into harms way on this untried platform. Appearance thrashing, technology bashing, and inter-service rivalry is unseemly in this thread. You are better than this.
 
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Really folks?.. This post was just well wishing for the people we send into harms way on this untried platform. Appearance thrashing, technology bashing, and inter-service rivalry is unseemly in this thread. You are better than this.

Maybe we should rebuild Teddy's white fleet. Rebuild The Maine. They were pretty.
Who wouldn't want to say that their sailor "died on a pretty ship"? :rolleyes:

Surface ships need all the help they can get against today's technology.
Remember the Falklands War?
 
My father would have one thing to say to the narrator of the video, "It is a ship, not a boat." I also think he would have reserved judgment on her appearance until he sailed her.
 
The first stealth destroyer.
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I'm not a naval architect, nor did I stay in Holiday Inn last night, but I have read a fair amount on warships over the years.

The "Ironclad Bow" dates back to the mid-19th century when the first steam powered warships appeared. Steam power brought the opportunity to use a weapon from antiquity, the ram. It's effectiveness was proven in a British naval disaster off Tripoli, Lebanon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Victoria_(1887) The other feature that became more popular was the tumblehome hull form. The above and several more naval disasters showed that this hull form lacks the righting moment of more conventional hulls.

Fast forward to today and the Ironclad Bow is now called a "wave piercing" bow. Well...... ok. But is that by design or consequence? Wave piercing catamarans have the important bits of the vessel well clear of where the water may appear. Not the case on the Zumwalt. Anybody who has done time in the world's navies will tell you that ships that are "wet" forward suffer from other problems. Seawater is insidious stuff, it will get everywhere it can through the smallest of gaps. Given the amount of electronics that undoubtedly cover the Zumwalt, I foresee reliability issues. Also, ships that are wet forward are also prone to ice build up in extreme climates. Personally, I don't fancy that in a ship already low on forward buoyancy. Call me chicken if you wish. I guess this can be fixed with heated decks, although they scream "Here I am" to every IR sensor within line of sight. No bueno.

The severe tumblehome hull form is now a stealth feature, and Handejector is quite right in mentioning the multiple radar guided missile strikes of the Falklands War. But have its stability disadvantages been mitigated in some way like deployable stabilizers? Also, how do you deploy stabilizers while maintaining a super quiet hullform to prevent acoustic detection?

On top of my reservations about the seakeeping capabilities of the hull, my main beefs with the design are the omission of one of the radars on cost grounds and the lack of a means to directly attack a submarine with torpedoes. Detect a submarine in weather too rough to launch a helicopter and you are screwed.

Let's hope that the design surprises Luddites like me. Our country can ill afford another expensive defence procurement goat rope.
 
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