Maybe it's time I got back to the basics . . .

Erich

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I'm one of those guys who carries a bunch of different guns (one at a time!), depending on where I'm going, what I'm wearing, etc. I have gotten to where I only carry guns that will give me a DA first shot, but I'll carry semiautos sometimes and revolvers other. I will use a .45 ACP revolver by the bedside, and carry a RAMI 9mm during the day. I'll hike and carry a 1076, but sometimes I'll carry a 36-1. Sometimes I'll pocket-carry a P232 or a 38-2 or a RAMI, sometimes I'll IWB a P239 or a 1076 or a 65-5 or a 36-1. It just depends on my mood.

My first gun was a .38 Spl snub, a Taurus Model 85 stainless 2". My lack of experience caused me to buy into the then-current "kinetic energy means stopping power" nonsense, and I carried it loaded with 95-grain +P Silvertips. Nothing like stoking sub-.380 loads (when you consider how they did out of the short .38 barrel) in a .38 revolver.
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Glad I never had to use them . . . .

I pretty quickly moved away from the .38 Spl, convinced that it wouldn't penetrate adequately (and, with those loads, I was right!). I went to a 9mm, then to a .357, then through literally dozens and dozens of guns over the years.

But I always loaded for the .38 Spl. Easy to shoot, accurate, and - I figured - "good enough" in a pinch. When I began working in criminal law I saw just how good it did work against human targets. And, as I became more experienced as a handloader, and began to hang around with and read very experienced handloaders, I began to realize that the "modern" +P loads were really not the pinnacle of .38 Spl development. In fact, the old .38/44 loads were some really hard-hitting rounds, actually outperforming many of today's factory .357 Magnum loads.

With the help of my more-experienced friends (including my friends here) I've started loading those rounds (a 160-grain LSWC at 1230 fps from a 4" K-frame with a SD of under 3 fps!). And I've developed my own defensive rounds that ought to work just dandy (a DEWC at 895 fps from a 1 7/8" tube) from the easily concealed .38 revolvers.

There's no question that there's something to be said for training with one type of gun, and there's no question that for me a DA J-frame revolver is the easiest gun to conceal in the widest variety of clothes as well as the fastest thing on target from deep cover. Revolvers sure don't hold many rounds and I've never gotten to where I feel I'm especially fast at reloading them (tho I might be faster than a few of you out there - I have worked at this a bit
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), but the stats show that it's profoundly unlikely that I'd have to reload in defense of myself or another.

And many friends whom I respect are traditionalists who've never felt the need to move away from blued steel and walnut. I've talked with them over the years about my realization that they are completely right.

So, I started to think. And I wondered if I could carry just .38 Special revolvers for a month. To stop carrying all the other handguns, on hikes, in town, on the nightstand. And I talked it over with a few friends, and they all encouraged me to try it out, just for the heck of it.

So, I'm going to be trying to carry nothing but .38 Special handguns until 2008 comes around.
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Heck, and blued ones at that! I may shoot other guns at the range, and I have other long guns around in the house, but I've put all the other guns up. If I'm in my dress pants, if I'm doing yardwork, if I'm sleeping with a gun on the nightstand, if I'm hiking up Bear Canyon (and the bears are out and about - scat everywhere!), I'll be carrying a blued .38 Special S&W revolver until 2008.

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Wish me luck!
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I'll try to update this if anything eventful comes to mind.
 
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I'm one of those guys who carries a bunch of different guns (one at a time!), depending on where I'm going, what I'm wearing, etc. I have gotten to where I only carry guns that will give me a DA first shot, but I'll carry semiautos sometimes and revolvers other. I will use a .45 ACP revolver by the bedside, and carry a RAMI 9mm during the day. I'll hike and carry a 1076, but sometimes I'll carry a 36-1. Sometimes I'll pocket-carry a P232 or a 38-2 or a RAMI, sometimes I'll IWB a P239 or a 1076 or a 65-5 or a 36-1. It just depends on my mood.

My first gun was a .38 Spl snub, a Taurus Model 85 stainless 2". My lack of experience caused me to buy into the then-current "kinetic energy means stopping power" nonsense, and I carried it loaded with 95-grain +P Silvertips. Nothing like stoking sub-.380 loads (when you consider how they did out of the short .38 barrel) in a .38 revolver.
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Glad I never had to use them . . . .

I pretty quickly moved away from the .38 Spl, convinced that it wouldn't penetrate adequately (and, with those loads, I was right!). I went to a 9mm, then to a .357, then through literally dozens and dozens of guns over the years.

But I always loaded for the .38 Spl. Easy to shoot, accurate, and - I figured - "good enough" in a pinch. When I began working in criminal law I saw just how good it did work against human targets. And, as I became more experienced as a handloader, and began to hang around with and read very experienced handloaders, I began to realize that the "modern" +P loads were really not the pinnacle of .38 Spl development. In fact, the old .38/44 loads were some really hard-hitting rounds, actually outperforming many of today's factory .357 Magnum loads.

With the help of my more-experienced friends (including my friends here) I've started loading those rounds (a 160-grain LSWC at 1230 fps from a 4" K-frame with a SD of under 3 fps!). And I've developed my own defensive rounds that ought to work just dandy (a DEWC at 895 fps from a 1 7/8" tube) from the easily concealed .38 revolvers.

There's no question that there's something to be said for training with one type of gun, and there's no question that for me a DA J-frame revolver is the easiest gun to conceal in the widest variety of clothes as well as the fastest thing on target from deep cover. Revolvers sure don't hold many rounds and I've never gotten to where I feel I'm especially fast at reloading them (tho I might be faster than a few of you out there - I have worked at this a bit
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), but the stats show that it's profoundly unlikely that I'd have to reload in defense of myself or another.

And many friends whom I respect are traditionalists who've never felt the need to move away from blued steel and walnut. I've talked with them over the years about my realization that they are completely right.

So, I started to think. And I wondered if I could carry just .38 Special revolvers for a month. To stop carrying all the other handguns, on hikes, in town, on the nightstand. And I talked it over with a few friends, and they all encouraged me to try it out, just for the heck of it.

So, I'm going to be trying to carry nothing but .38 Special handguns until 2008 comes around.
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Heck, and blued ones at that! I may shoot other guns at the range, and I have other long guns around in the house, but I've put all the other guns up. If I'm in my dress pants, if I'm doing yardwork, if I'm sleeping with a gun on the nightstand, if I'm hiking up Bear Canyon (and the bears are out and about - scat everywhere!), I'll be carrying a blued .38 Special S&W revolver until 2008.

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Wish me luck!
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I'll try to update this if anything eventful comes to mind.
 
Erich, You are a brave man!

A 38 special is too small a caliber for my end of the woods, add to boot only 5 rounds.

Best of luck, I'm sure you'll snap out of it soon...
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The list of guns that would be worse to carry is a lot longer then the list of .38 specials you plan to carry.

I'm really interested to learn how your .38/44 loads perform on bears.
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If you do that bear hike, make sure you practice that reload before you set out. I'm thinking .38 x 5 may not quite do it.
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Welcome back to basics. Let us know how goes the experiment.
 
You guys.
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I'm sure you know that black bears aren't grizzly terminators - they're like overgrown raccoons, only less aggressive. They chew on a couple of people each year here in NM and have killed a couple in recent memory, but those have been sleeping. They run 300 lbs here at largest - a 160-grain pill at 1230 fps is plenty good medicine for that kind of bruin.
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Erich, one of my favorite bloggers has a piece on paring his carry guns down to K-frames: Thoreau says: ditch your iPhone

I have a pair of the new M&Ps (340 and 360) for carry. I bought the 360 first as it was the only M&P in stock. The 340 came a few weeks later and was a steal as it was barely used.
 
I'm not thinking about the 4 legged predator. Our locals have thicker hides that your little brown bears, they stand on their hind legs over 6 feet tall, could weigh in over 250 pounds, easy. They attack in packs too!

Use camo and walk quietly while hiking, OK?
Be safe, hope we read further posts from you in the future.
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Nice guns, and you'll be fine. If you just give the critters some respectful space and don't slather yourself with honey, or hang sausages and cheese all over your clothes before your hikes, the odds of any trouble from them are exceedingly slim. And for the more likely biped assault, the hot .38 as you note, is perfectly adequate. Please post some mountain views from your favorite routes if you have some!
 
Our locals have thicker hides that your little brown bears, they stand on their hind legs over 6 feet tall, could weigh in over 250 pounds, easy. They attack in packs too!

You have packs of Sasquatches in Connecticut?
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95% of the time I am armed with a J or K frame. My K gets stoked with Speer 125 357s most of the time, and occasionally with the same ammo used in the J: Remington 158 +P LSWCHP.
 
Thank you - looks like beautiful country there, Erich
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. New Mexico is the one state that I haven't yet been to in the US that I really *want* to go to.
 
Sir, good on ya. I'll be interested to hear how it goes.

I might also note that in the not-too-distant past (and even now), a lot of folks could only afford "a" pistol, rather than a different one for every occasion. Making do with one sidearm is entirely plausible.

Hope this helps, and Semper Fi.

Ron H.
 
Originally posted by Erich:
Enchiladas are on me if you come through here!
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Hey, now you're talking! And if it won't be disagreeable to wash down southwestern food with new england brew, I've got the sam adams to extinguish the pepper's fires.
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Sounds good - I also brew my own and have been known to use chile in it.
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Jake, amen to that! Ron, it wasn't all that long ago that I was one of those who could only afford one. I've been blessed to where I now am pretty well set with such things, but it's sure good for me to remember what's actually "necessary." Thinking about that was part of the impetus for this whole experiment. I'm not one of those shi-shi liberal folks who talk about "affluenza," but it sure doesn't hurt me to step away from the marketing and the hype and reflect on the essentials.

Shucks, now I'm sounding like Thoreau . . .
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And I wasn't intending to do that.
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Sir, there's nothing at all wrong with sounding like Thoreau. It's actually very helpful for me--I'm currently fighting the urge to buy yet another sixgun that I don't "need" (a Colt, no less). "Stick with the essentials ... I don't need a Python ... I don't need a Python ...."

Thanks, and Semper Fi.

Ron H.
 
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