Mayhem in Manhattan

Most people in the press and many in government agencies do not know the difference between an AR15, an M16, an M4, or an AK47.
In all fairness, there really isn't a difference unless one considers the fire-control group. The function is identical, the dimensions and manual of arms and ergonomics are identical…its the same as nit-picking the Beretta 92 vs M9 or M1911 vs Colt Government or M1873 Cold Single-Action Army vs Peacemaker.

I think the gun community makes ourselves look pedantic when we dismiss critiques based on someone's naming.
 
Several news reports mention that some components of the rifle were bought at gun shows. No details that I have seen. One mentioned a trigger. Time will tell.
 
Question… if he had been stopped by another guy who was carrying a gun illegally there in New York… what would've happened to the guy who stopped him? Would he have gotten in trouble for carrying, or would they have let it go on this occasion??
Just speculating, of course
 
Mayor Adams was a NYPD police officer.

NYPD refused to use AR-15 rifles for years, equipping their Emergency Services Unit and other specialized units with the traditionally stocked Ruger Mini-14 rifles. Supposedly this Mini-14 issuance was due to looking less scary than the AR-15 profile. supposedly.

After 9/11, the NYPD Homeland Security units converted en masse to the Colt M4 rifle or a few related variants. My limited work with ESU or Homeland Security units saw them always called "M4s" as a generic term.

Mayor Adams's comments were technically incorrect, but consistent with NYPD type vocabulary. As has been noted, it was a bargain basement Palmetto State Arms rifle. All media reports/leaks indicate it was a standard semiautomatic rifle.

In lieu of celebrating the shooter, let's remember the NYPD officer and security guard who gave their lives.


A native of Bangladesh, Didarul Islam immigrated to the United States before joining the NYPD as an officer 3½ years ago, the department said. Islam was assigned to the 47th Precinct in the Bronx but was moonlighting as uniformed private security at 345 Park Ave. on Monday night. He was married with two young sons, New York City Police Commissioner Jessica Tisch told reporters Monday, adding that Islam's wife is pregnant with the couple's third child.

The security guard killed in Monday's shooting was Aland Etienne.
 Police said Etienne was shot while behind his security desk after a gunman burst into the lobby of the Midtown building.
 
Most people in the press and many in government agencies do not know the difference between an AR15, an M16, an M4, or an AK47.
I know I don't. Those are not my firearms of choice. I'm a revolver guy and always will be. The only "military" rifles I know are the M1-Carbine, M-1 Garand and the M14. All the rest hold no interest for me. I'm probably in the minority in that opinion. Don't care. I've nothing against them or their owners, just not my thing.

Rick
 
I saw a close up photo of it; it is a Palmetto State AR-15 (an M4 clone). I think it was semi-auto only, but you never know these days. It did not appear to have a binary trigger.
It was a AR15 pistol, appears to be a 10.5" barrel and a SB pistol brace.
 
There are several reports that the killer in NYC yesterday used a M-4 for the killing. It was identified as such by the police Commissioner. Am I mistaken in thinking that is a select-fire rifle that is not available to We The People?

Colt does make a semi-auto LE carbine labeled M4.

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Because for some reason hardcore 2A types do not want to disarm the Mentally Ill.
I'm pretty hardcore and if you are nuts you should not have access to firearms, knives, ball bats, etc you should be treated/helped. Our government give away priorities need fixun!
 
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CNN just reported the suspect had mental health holds in 2022 and 2024.

Wonder how he kept his concealed carry permit?

Also reported, as stated above, he shot himself in the chest.
This is a case where we'd do well to see what the law says, vs what we think it says or want it to say.
You will find the word "adjudicated" in the wording of this part of the law.
A judge has to call them nuts.
 

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