Microstamping: Has any manufacturer agreed to do this?

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We all know that Ruger and S&W have decided not to try to get new semi-autos approved for sale in California due to the microstamping requirement, but I have not heard about what other manufacturers are planning to do. As I understand the technology, it is not a simple thing to accomplish and have each individual gun leave a distinct and unique mark on the shell casing. But if any manufacturer accomplishes the requirement, won't that demonstrate that it is possible and thus be considered reasonable by the courts? I think if the California law withstands court scrutiny we may see other anti-gun states like NY, NJ, Mass., etc. try the same thing.
 
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vito said:
We all know that Ruger and S&W have decided not to try to get new semi-autos approved for sale in California due to the microstamping requirement, but I have not heard about what other manufacturers are planning to do. As I understand the technology, it is not a simple thing to accomplish and have each individual gun leave a distinct and unique mark on the shell casing. But if any manufacturer accomplishes the requirement, won't that demonstrate that it is possible and thus be considered reasonable by the courts? I think if the California law withstands court scrutiny we may see other anti-gun states like NY, NJ, Mass., etc. try the same thing.
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I think others will follow S&W ,Ruger lead on this issue, just think of the added cost to do this to each fire arm, if anyone makes a gun with the microstamp that's the one I will not buy.
 
The more mfg's that refuse to bow down to CA the better. I feel sorry for CA, but we don't want to give IL any more idea's. It's been a long haul just trying to get CCW passed. Now they are trying to say they will need more time to release permits in order to train the State Police how to react with those carrying !!!!!! One more delay tactic.
 
The TV shows have convinced us that a gun will "fingerprint" unique mark a bullet.

Heck, I have been around metal working for 40+ years.

There is no way barrels could be that unique, considering the hammer forging techniques used for high production of barrels.

The barrels of today's guns gotta produce bullets that are pretty similar.

Am I missing something?

Maybe back when guns were hand rifled.:confused:

It seems like a number engraved in the interior of a chamber that would mark the brass would be easy to do.

OR, how about a laser engraving in the surface of the bolt?

That brass is being pushed to the rear pretty hard. :eek:
 
as I understand it, the process does exist and is patented.
No doubt that the patent is held by an anti gun moron.
This means that each gun this is applied to will be subject to licensing fees payed to the anti gunner.
furthermore, it is the companies option to deny a licensing agreement.

Then on the plant floor, rather than pull a firing pin out of a bin during assembly, each pin must be specially processed, perhaps even off site at the anti gunners facility if he so chooses, and probably does so choose.
This means a pile of guns will wait for pins for as long as IDENTIFICATION DYNAMICS LLC feels like it.
Todd E. Lizotte and Orest Ohar then control firearm production and get rich doing it
 
Well, if the gun companies refuse to conform and sell in CA it's still a win for the antis. No new guns. Then you bet your rear that other anti dominated locations will pass similar laws unless it's overruled in court so gun companies won't sell there either.

I half expect SW and Ruger to be doing exactly what the antis planned and want them to do - pull out of the market.
 
H Richard said:
I feel sorry for CA, but we don't want to give IL any more idea's. It's been a long haul just trying to get CCW passed. Now they are trying to say they will need more time to release permits in order to train the State Police how to react with those carrying !!!!!! One more delay tactic.
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Have them call an Indiana Trooper and ask him if he'd refuse assistance from a legally armed Indiana citizen during a life threatening situation.
 
the deeper into the documents I dig, the more it seems that compliance on the part of any manufacturer is not in anyones best interest.
I'm sorry Calli folks, but your going to have to take one for the team.

the following link may be cringe worthy to many, the rest probably just don't know to cringe.
Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence ? Gun Law Information Experts

What we have here is at least a partial playbook for the anti's current strategy.

Somewhere on this forum was a post from a member who discovered he could not purchase ammo and a speed loader while he was out of state.
They cited a new law that required ID for such purchases.
They are getting us used to divulging this info before they implement the rest of the package folks.
Read the document a few times, though it may make you a little sick.
It is the playbook

I managed to find the thread
http://smith-wessonforum.com/2nd-amendment-forum/350027-cant-buy-ammo-ct-anymore.html

looks to be the ground work for serialized ammo if you ask me.
Read their playbook ... they are getting cute
 
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Living in a country that has pretty draconian gun-laws, where the bad guys have anything they want and generally run amuck shooting up other bad guys and any good guys who happen to get in the way (because the good guys are generally unarmed and can't get guns for the most part) -- I am just constantly amazed that so many people living up North where they actually can arm themselves seem to prefer to try to ditch those rights and end up -- well -- like here.

I am willing to bet if you were to ask those people if they'd like to come down here for a visit, they'll tell you that it's pretty dangerous and maybe they better not (even though it's not that dangerous except in some specific places). So this is what they want? Because it's what they're going to get if they don't wake up.

Then we'll see how happy they are. Taking away the guns and the gun-rights is not the answer. But it seems to be what "they" keep striving for and although they may think that "they" will be in control once they've disarmed the populace, it sure didn't work out that way down here. Whole areas of the country are controlled by the "other side". Taxes are paid to the "other side". Fealty is given to the "other side". You fear the "other side". Because the "authorities" are just a joke that has to be tolerated.

So this is what they want? Because it's where they're heading. I hope they like it when only the bad guys have the guns for the most part.

Sam Fuller said at the beginning of a chapter in The Big Red One that "War affects business" and he sure got that nail hit right on the noggin'.
 
venomballistics said:
as I understand it, the process does exist and is patented.
No doubt that the patent is held by an anti gun moron.
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probably living in CA.:eek: With this new law I guess there will be no more crime in CA with a firearm because the BG will know he will get caught and give up the life of crime and get a legal job. Winner for all living in CA less in prison, they pay taxes and crime go's away.

Note the sarcasm there. One less state for the firearm co's to sell their produce and more for the free states.
 
What is to stop someone from sanding the tip of thier firing pin to remove any micro-etching before using the gun during the commission of a crime? This would break the chain of evidence, leaving the detective unable to trace the cartridge back to the original firearm purchaser. Five minutes with a file or sand paper to negate how much money spent on developing this technology???
 
gdnagle said:
probably living in CA.:eek: With this new law I guess there will be no more crime in CA with a firearm because the BG will know he will get caught and give up the life of crime and get a legal job. Winner for all living in CA less in prison, they pay taxes and crime go's away.

Note the sarcasm there. One less state for the firearm co's to sell their produce and more for the free states.
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Boston actually ....
at least thats where the leads to Todd pointed
 
427mach1 said:
What is to stop someone from sanding the tip of thier firing pin to remove any micro-etching before using the gun during the commission of a crime? This would break the chain of evidence, leaving the detective unable to trace the cartridge back to the original firearm purchaser. Five minutes with a file or sand paper to negate how much money spent on developing this technology???
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your right .. However, what thug would go through the trouble when the data goes to you, through the gun he stole from you, taking the heat off of him?

But then .. it does not have to work. It boils down to one anti gun duckfart now legally having the ability to hold the production runs for the state of California, AND Washington DC hostage.

We know that ball is barely good enough for a base hit. Keep your eyes on the game, the framework is there for ammo registration in some places
 
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IMO ALL of the firearms manufacturers who do business in the US should simply tell the state of California that they will not be able to purchase any new firearms or parts for their existing firearms. Basically, do the same as what Barret did a few years back. Because this nonsense needs to be stopped now before it can spread.
 
sipowicz said:
Gee, I wonder how hard it would be for a criminal to obscure the stamp? Oh wait, they don't have to since they steal their guns so the brass can only be traced back to the legal owner. I guess if you reload this could be a good thing...
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In Cali everyone that reloaded the casing gets arrested. No alibi and you go to jail.

Anyway, LE can already identify a gun that fired a casing. This is just another attempt to make handguns more expensive to limit the law abiding citizen from affording them.
 
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venomballistics said:
as I understand it, the process does exist and is patented.
No doubt that the patent is held by an anti gun moron.
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The law was signed in 2007. Because it was patented, they successfully got an injunction against implementation. The patent expired in 2013 which nullified the validity of the injunction and allowed microstamping to proceed because it was available to any manufacturer.

HKB said:
In Cali everyone that reloaded the casing gets arrested. No alibi and you go to jail.
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No. The microstamp is done by the firing pin. Therefore, it marks the primer as the gun is fired. So, it won't affect reloaders because a new primer is inserted every time.

However, your thought has merit. All a criminal would have to do is get some brass from a range. Then spread it around at the scene of a shooting. That would bring reasonable doubt that any particular gun was used thus nullifying the microstamp as viable evidence.


Every gun law passed after the ratification of the 2nd amendment in 1791 is unconstitutional. The simple phrase "shall not be infringed" has been overlooked for too long. The fact that CA has an "approved" gun list is at the very least an active attempt to limit free trade which is one of the founding concepts of the US Constitution. This microstamping is just the result of incrementalism. They've chipped away at our rights for so long, we've become used to it. Now their plan has come to fruition and the source of legal guns is going away. They are so stupid that they don't realize that this isn't the source of guns used illegally.

What's worse is that the politicians aren't doing this because they are anti gun or even for control. They're doing this because they think it's popular and will get them re-elected. That's all, it's a job saving ploy.

If it were really a conscious attack we could fight it. But, because it's irrational, there's no way we can reason with these people.
 
Rastoff said:
No. The microstamp is done by the firing pin. Therefore, it marks the primer as the gun is fired. So, it won't affect reloaders because a new primer is inserted every time.

However, your thought has merit. All a criminal would have to do is get some brass from a range. Then spread it around at the scene of a shooting. That would bring reasonable doubt that any particular gun was used thus nullifying the microstamp as viable evidence.
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Thanks for the clarification. That seems even more ridiculous if you can change the firing pin out to alter the ID of the firearm.

It might be a good time to sell Cali off to Mexico for some hard eared drug money. :D
 
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