Military Grade —- MEANING

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I am an Army veteran and proud of it. Any veteran knows that ONLY equipment that is 100% operational 100% of the time is CORRECT. Any thing else is WRONG and shooters get DEAD because of WRONG.

I owned several weapons and love all of my M&P handguns with one exception I WILL NOT TRUST MY LIFE TO IT with a “known” magazine spring problem that no one has solved.

Isn’t the M in M&P stand for military?

What happened?
 
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After 30 years as a Gravel Tech, I know from personal experience that "military grade/military spec" means "manufactured by the lowest bidder". If they had ever said to us, even once "Troops, these parachutes are military spec", I would never have donned one.

Overwhelmingly used after 9/11 as a marketing tool to attract the wallets of Tacti-Cool civvies who never served and thus never had a chance to personally experience what it actually means.
 
The name hearkens back to 1902 when S&W introduced the .38 Military & Police revolver. The name was for marketing then and still is today. I will say that given the price of the M&P plastic pistols, it is an appropriate name as the government often goes with the lowest cost or nearly lowest cost bid on contracts.
 
I am an Army veteran and proud of it. Any veteran knows that ONLY equipment that is 100% operational 100% of the time is CORRECT. Any thing else is WRONG and shooters get DEAD because of WRONG.

I owned several weapons and love all of my M&P handguns with one exception I WILL NOT TRUST MY LIFE TO IT with a “known” magazine spring problem that no one has solved.

Isn’t the M in M&P stand for military?

What happened?
M&P stand for military? M = military & P = Police
 
If it’s an actual US Military Item, it’s made to -
United States defense standard, often called a military standard, "MIL-STD", "MIL-SPEC", or (informally) "MilSpecs", is used to help achieve standardization objectives by the United States Department of Defense.’
Somethings like the mentioned Magazines, items can be actual Military Standard, made in the same factory and sold to the public.
Here’s a small MRE I recently bought at the Base Commissary. It’s an actual Military item.
You might see the ‘same’ item for sale made by the same supplier, contract overrun, or just made more for Civil sales.IMG_2584.jpeg
Notice it’s Prop of US Gov.
No resale. (I have Gifted some)
No to Airlines? Heater Bag chemical reaction emits Hydrogen!
 
I can give one example of Military Grade/Standard actually meaning something. Back in the 80s, a Congressman made a big deal that a manufacturer in his district could supply the huge bolts used to connect sections of tank tread together at about one-tenth the price the Army was then paying to its long-time supplier. He had the manufacturer supply a large sample of the proposed replacement bolt. The bolts looked identical to the existing version, the Congressman having supplied an example bolt obtained from the Army. A tank unit was instructed to try them out. They replaced a number of the bolts on one tread of one tank and instructed the driver to take a test drive around the perimeter of the tank park. Trial bolts were in right tread. Tank started off, intending to go counter-clockwise around the tank park. Tank came to the first left turn and came to a halt halfway through. There was a pile of broken bolt pieces and tread sections along the right side of the tank. That was the end of that, as they say.
 
Keep in mind, the Term "Made by the lowest bidder" should also include "That met the standard" Folks always forget that part.

A item has a list of specifications it must meet and pass testing to insure that it does, if out of three bidders, only two meet the spec, then the bidder with the lowest bid, received the order.

While Milspec gear gets a bad wrap, a lot of it holds up fine, the issue is how the specs were laid out by the Military. The Military procurement process can be pants on head retarded sometimes.

I mention the M9 magazine fiasco as a perfect example. When the Army fielded the M9 Beretta, the magazines were made by Beretta. Many were stamped Made in Italy. The inside of the magazines were smooth and allowed the cartridges to roll as the spring and follower pushed them up towards the feed lips.

The the GWOT comes along and the Army needs more M9 Magazines. So they put out a bid and Checkmate wins it. In the bid, the Army specified that the magazine bodies be Manganese Phosphate. That process coats the entire magazine (inside & Out) with a rough textured parkerized finish. Cause the Army likes durability.

Add that rough texture, along with Middle eastern fine powder sand and the need for the cartridges to have a smooth finish to allow them to rotate and you get failure to feed issues. Troops stretch the springs to try and correct the issue.

Beretta is clueless as they were not told and there TDP (Technical Data package) is not shared with Checkmate, plus checkmate is told to add the finish as part of the bid. Which they do, if they want to be selected an win the bid.

And the M9 got a black eye on its reliability reputation thanks to the US Army.

So MilSpec can cut both ways. And now you know the rest of the story....
 
What really bothers the hell out of me is if we all know how to fix it why hasn’t sw done it officially. The weapon has a lifetime warranty
 
If a bow and arrow was defective in the old west would the Indians use it as is? They need it to live. I am curious as to who would rely on this weapon to protect there family?
 
The wrong food for Vietnam, hepatitis showers, water you wouldn't give your dog, lifers with profiles, rats everywhere, truck wrecks, airplane crashes, chopper crashes, half the Army sitting on their butts getting hostile fire pay, people trying to kill you..burning barrels of human waste, spit on by a grateful nation..... not too much perfect or Military grade about that...
 
I am an Army veteran and proud of it. Any veteran knows that ONLY equipment that is 100% operational 100% of the time is CORRECT. Any thing else is WRONG and shooters get DEAD because of WRONG.

I owned several weapons and love all of my M&P handguns with one exception I WILL NOT TRUST MY LIFE TO IT with a “known” magazine spring problem that no one has solved.

Isn’t the M in M&P stand for military?

What happened?
It would be nice to know which of the M&P models you are talking about. Partial information is Misinformation.
 

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