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Here is a topic I have not seen covered on the S&W Forum: MINIATURE FIREARMS!

These are exact scale reproduction firearms, traditionally hand made using traditional machinist/gunsmith skills.
Historically, fabrication of a 1:2 scale miniature firearm was a Guild requirement to be awarded certification as a master gunsmith.
It is often considered that the difficulty of the work, and skill required, is exponential to the scale of reduction.
Many times, these miniature reproductions are fully functional and can be fired with specially manufactured miniature cartridges. Depending on your country of residency, these may or may not be legally classified as actual firearms.
In some countries, as the ammunition is not “commonly available”, miniature firearms can be freely purchased without restrictions. Given that they are also marvels of craftsmanship, they are thus often prized collectibles.

I first became exposed to miniature scale reproduction firearms in Canada.
As can be expected, there is a specialized niche of collectors who work in this field. The prices of these miniatures is generally commensurate with the skill level needed to produce them.
For example, a Leon Crottet miniature repro of, say, an Artillery Luger might run you about $20,000.

Here’s a video posted in Switzerland that might give you some idea of the world of miniature firearms (in spite of the language barrier).

https://youtu.be/QzGXTFgR3Q0?si=4Iwk2j9mpSo3mC1e


Here’s another video from an NRA convention:
https://youtu.be/27UVYWAoE8M?si=voB7ycre06GCP1-f

Better yet, is this video posted by Brad Simpson of Simpson Ltd. He is very knowledgeable and Simpson Ltd even offers a few Crottet repros for sale:
https://youtu.be/D1gKdjyLdrY?si=uOcepvLASdxvm7t2

Given the number of very knowledgeable collectors on this forum, I wonder if there is anyone here that can elaborate on this fascinating topic.

It can be difficult posting photo as they are meaningless unless seen in context of something to give a sense of scale. But, I added a couple that gives some idea of scale.
 

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bracebeemer is a gentleman, fellow member of the Michigan Antique Arms Collectors Association and a member of this forum. I'm fortunate to consider him a friend. He amassed a fabulous collection of miniatures made by Raymond Hutchens. I believe his collection was published in the Joseph Kramer book, Scale Model Firearms.

He was nice enough to share these fabulous works with the forum. The threads are worth checking out! :cool:

1902 Luger in 1/2 scale

Winchester 1894 in 1/2 scale takedown

RM in 3/4 scale

Registered Magnum in 1/2 scale

2/3 Scale Model Uzi in 25 acp
 
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bracebeemer is a gentleman, fellow member of the Michigan Antique Arms Collectors Association and a member of this forum. I'm fortunate to consider him a friend. He amassed a fabulous collection of miniatures made by Raymond Hutchens. I believe his collection was published in the Joseph Kramer book, Scale Model Firearms.

He was nice enough to share these fabulous works with the forum. The threads are worth checking out! :cool:

1902 Luger in 1/2 scale

Winchester 1894 in 1/2 scale takedown

RM in 3/4 scale

Registered Magnum in 1/2 scale

2/3 Scale Model Uzi in 25 acp

Those are all great!
It's the detail of proportions and curves that is so incredible. You just can't capture that with two-dimensional blueprints. It takes an artistic eye to see that and also realize it in steel.

Sorry that I missed those in my search. It didn't occur to me to use "1/2 scale", etc. as a search term.
 
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Those are all great!

Sorry that I missed those in my search. It didn't occur to me to use "1/2 scale", etc. as a search term.
No need to apologize...
I would have had a hard time finding the threads too, if bracebeemer wasn't a friend and I hadn't seen the guns in person at a MAAC show. Those are masterpieces that you never forget!
 
No need to apologize...
I would have had a hard time finding the threads too, if bracebeemer wasn't a friend and I hadn't seen the guns in person at a MAAC show. Those are masterpieces that you never forget!

Yes, when you see these in person they are hard to forget!
There was a small group of collectors in Ontario, Canada that I had met years ago. Otherwise, the topic might not have made such an impression.
 
In the 70's and early 80's I did hand engraved lettering on some miniature firearms made by Herschel Kopp.
A name well known in that field.
At that time he lived not far from me in a beautiful home right on Lake Ontario. It was a real treat to visit to be sure.
Firing some rounds out into the Lake with one of his .22short cal scale model Gatling guns was always a high point. The Gatling's were the handi-work of Rob't(?) Furr.

He would set up some of his collection at a couple of the large shows around the area and they were always a large draw.

He got me into trying my hand at making a few simple design minitures like the Remington singleshot derringer.
I never got past that simple stage in making any of them
One of the last projects I remember doing for him was a miniture of the Nazi Belt Buckle gun.
I did the lettering/markings on that as well. Some of the drawing/spec papers are probably hiding around in the stacks of stuff in one of the shops here. He had an original from which to copy from (32acp cal)

It was fun, I think I have some photos of my attempts at making minis yet. Don't know what I did with the actual 'guns' though.
Herschel Kopp moved away from the area and relocated to Ohio (Cinn area IIRC) and found other engraver sources I suspect. I believe some of the lettering may have further been done by pantograph or some sort of CNC process. The latter was coming on strong for all sorts of machining and marking possibilities even in miniature size.

When you see some of the creations first hand that these people are capable of producing and at the reduced size they make them in, it is amazing.
 
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Mr. Crottet is a Swiss, or at least he was in Switzerland when I was fortunate to visit his shop in 2015. Very interesting gentleman and a great pleasure to meet him. If you look closely at his miniatures you will see the customary “SWISS MADE.” In an appropriate size font, of course. :)
 
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closest that I have seen in person was a friend of a friend that had a Tippman belt fed miniature 50 cal bmg that fired 22lr if I recall correctly, could have been 22 mag.. it was fun, but temperamental.. hard to keep running...
 
The Tippmanns, as I recall - the 1919 Browning 30 caliber was 22 long rifle.



The M2 50 caliber was 22 magnum.
 
In the 70's and early 80's I did hand engraved lettering on some miniature firearms made by Herschel Kopp.
A name well known in that field.
At that time he lived not far from me in a beautiful home right on Lake Ontario. It was a real treat to visit to be sure.
Firing some rounds out into the Lake with one of his .22short cal scale model Gatling guns was always a high point. The Gatling's were the handi-work of Rob't(?) Furr.

He would set up some of his collection at a couple of the large shows around the area and they were always a large draw.

He got me into trying my hand at making a few simple design minitures like the Remington singleshot derringer.
I never got past that simple stage in making any of them
One of the last projects I remember doing for him was a miniture of the Nazi Belt Buckle gun.
I did the lettering/markings on that as well. Some of the drawing/spec papers are probably hiding around in the stacks of stuff in one of the shops here. He had an original from which to copy from (32acp cal)

It was fun, I think I have some photos of my attempts at making minis yet. Don't know what I did with the actual 'guns' though.
Herschel Kopp moved away from the area and relocated to Ohio (Cinn area IIRC) and found other engraver sources I suspect. I believe some of the lettering may have further been done by pantograph or some sort of CNC process. The latter was coming on strong for all sorts of machining and marking possibilities even in miniature size.

When you see some of the creations first hand that these people are capable of producing and at the reduced size they make them in, it is amazing.

I wonder if Herschel Kopp is the guy whose work I used to see?
There was a nice circuit of gun shows in Southern Ontario, mostly in Ajax, Oshawa, and Ancaster, all less than an hour from downtown Toronto.
They were real gun shows! No fudge, beef jerky, flea market junk. Membership was closely screened and scrutinized since Canadian law at the time allowed for the issuance of a Restricted Weapons Permit through membership in a “certified gun club or bona fide collectors association”.
Anyhow, it was very impressive to see these marvels of miniature machine work.
Thanks for the extra information!

Maybe I saw some of your engraving, too?? :cool:
 
It may have been Herschel. He was quite active in the Minitaure Arms Society. They had many members in Canada.
Dave Kucer was/is in Quebec and one of the outstanding makers.
He made a couple of the 1/2 and 1/3 scale TSMGs. Working models in 25acp.
 
I recall seeing a small group of these at the Tulsa show back in 2006. Impressive indeed. Hard to understand just how cool they are if they aren’t right in front of you.
 
Here is a topic I have not seen covered on the S&W Forum: MINIATURE FIREARMS!

These are exact scale reproduction firearms, traditionally hand made using traditional machinist/gunsmith skills.
Historically, fabrication of a 1:2 scale miniature firearm was a Guild requirement to be awarded certification as a master gunsmith.
It is often considered that the difficulty of the work, and skill required, is exponential to the scale of reduction.
Many times, these miniature reproductions are fully functional and can be fired with specially manufactured miniature cartridges. Depending on your country of residency, these may or may not be legally classified as actual firearms.
In some countries, as the ammunition is not “commonly available”, miniature firearms can be freely purchased without restrictions. Given that they are also marvels of craftsmanship, they are thus often prized collectibles.

I first became exposed to miniature scale reproduction firearms in Canada.
As can be expected, there is a specialized niche of collectors who work in this field. The prices of these miniatures is generally commensurate with the skill level needed to produce them.
For example, a Leon Crottet miniature repro of, say, an Artillery Luger might run you about $20,000.

Here’s a video posted in Switzerland that might give you some idea of the world of miniature firearms (in spite of the language barrier).




Here’s another video from an NRA convention:


Better yet, is this video posted by Brad Simpson of Simpson Ltd. He is very knowledgeable and Simpson Ltd even offers a few Crottet repros for sale:


Given the number of very knowledgeable collectors on this forum, I wonder if there is anyone here that can elaborate on this fascinating topic.

It can be difficult posting photo as they are meaningless unless seen in context of something to give a sense of scale. But, I added a couple that gives some idea of scale.

Ammo is impossible to find
 
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