MODEL 14-6 FOUR INCH ROPER GUN FOUND IT!
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Fine revolvers. I stumbled upon mine at a local gunshow a few years back. I never expected to see one in the flesh.
I traded a NIB 3 inch 64-3 for it. The seller must have really loved 3 inch K-frames. He seemed thrilled. I KNOW I was.
Enjoy that fine full lug 4 inch 14-6 Roper. Let us know how it shoots for you. You are going to shoot it, aren't you? Regards 18DAI
Fine revolvers. I stumbled upon mine at a local gunshow a few years back. I never expected to see one in the flesh.
I traded a NIB 3 inch 64-3 for it. The seller must have really loved 3 inch K-frames. He seemed thrilled. I KNOW I was.
Enjoy that fine full lug 4 inch 14-6 Roper. Let us know how it shoots for you. You are going to shoot it, aren't you? Regards 18DAI
SgtLumpy
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Pardon my ignorance...What is "roper"?
Sgt Lumpy
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I asked Jim Rae, the fellow who made these guns, who told me "...approximately 131 made with the 4 inch barrel." The 4 inch full lug barrel 14-6's were sent to Roper supply in Mississippi around 1996-7 IIRC.
Hopefully member CALREB will see this thread. What he has forgotten about these fine revolvers I will never even know. Regards 18DAI
Hopefully member CALREB will see this thread. What he has forgotten about these fine revolvers I will never even know. Regards 18DAI
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I must confess my ignorance too. I opened the thread expecting to see a beautiful pair of checkered wood grips by Walter Roper. Imagine my disappointment at seeing those "grips by Goodyear!" 
So if I understand this correctly, some guy named Roper had a special order made up for 131 of these Model 14s with 4" full underlug barrel about 16-17 years ago, is that right? It is a right nice looking gun (except for the Goodyears) and with a set of the smooth combat grips Smith was selling in those days should hold and shoot very nicely. Who knows, with 129 more of them out there, maybe one will fall into my hands as well... stranger things have happened!
Froggie
So if I understand this correctly, some guy named Roper had a special order made up for 131 of these Model 14s with 4" full underlug barrel about 16-17 years ago, is that right? It is a right nice looking gun (except for the Goodyears) and with a set of the smooth combat grips Smith was selling in those days should hold and shoot very nicely. Who knows, with 129 more of them out there, maybe one will fall into my hands as well... stranger things have happened!
Froggie
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One day I only hope to stumble on one. Nice score!
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Great find.....!
Here's the Roper flyer made at the time they released these to the general public:
Here's the Roper flyer made at the time they released these to the general public:
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I must confess my ignorance too. I opened the thread expecting to see a beautiful pair of checkered wood grips by Walter Roper. Imagine my disappointment at seeing those "grips by Goodyear!"
Froggie
Rest assured, many of us have dressed ours up properly.......
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Thanks everyone! This is better than any Christmas present I have ever had. I can't stop picking it up an looking at it. I bought it to shoot it but right now I am struggling with the thought of shooting this gun. 18DAI, CALREB knows I have this gun and will probably be chiming in sometime soon. CALREB was one of the first people I texted when I found it.
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ALVMASON,
All the grips in the pictures above were made by Craig Spegel.
The last gun is wearing his K frame Targets with short extension, smooth with medallions.
Edit: for some reason I was thinking you asked about the last gun, the first one is wearing a set of grips that Craig makes every 1000 pair of grips, I was lucky enough to have him make me that pair, it is made of American black walnut wood he cuts on his property in Oregon.
Tx
All the grips in the pictures above were made by Craig Spegel.
The last gun is wearing his K frame Targets with short extension, smooth with medallions.
Edit: for some reason I was thinking you asked about the last gun, the first one is wearing a set of grips that Craig makes every 1000 pair of grips, I was lucky enough to have him make me that pair, it is made of American black walnut wood he cuts on his property in Oregon.
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A bit of my journey regarding this model, FWIW
Starting in 1996, when the SCS&W came out, I started searching for info on this gun.
In the first edition, this was what Rick Nahas included:
* Special 1995: Production of 4" barrel for Perry & Associates for pistol teams. Accurized from the Performance Center. Limited Production
Not much info, but a start. I talked to Rick Nahas about this at the S&WCA meeting in Portlland in 1998 and he indicated that the info came from his notes and didn't have much more than that.
Then, in 2001, the second edition of the SCS&W came out with a bit more info:
* Special 1995: Production of 4" barrel for Perry and Assoc. for LA.P.D. pistol teams. Accurized from the Performance Center. Limited Production
This was a bit more (LAPD angle), but not much. I found a company called Perry & Associates who distributed guns and was somehow involved in the Police Pistol matches, but they had no idea what this model was, said they'd never heard of it. Bummer.
So, I believe I posted some info about it on the forum and a nice gentleman was gracious enough to send me a copy of the letter below.
BINGO...!
With the magic number on this letter (the SKU), I was able to get S&W Customer Service to provide some additional information about this model, and in fact the CS rep said "Oh, you called just in time as the last shipment of 25 just went to the distributor - Roper Police Supply". I was thrilled and called Roper, talked to a nice lady named Miss Brenda who confirmed that there had been about 100 over a 5 year period and that the last were on the way. She even mailed me several flyers (the one posted above).
I called my local GS (also a member of the S&WCA at the time) so he ordered 6-8 of these, some for me, some for himself and others.
When they came in they didn't last long I can tell you.
Now, there are a handful of folks here who knew about these guns for years, a small group of tightknit folks who compete/competed in the Police Revolver matches, where these were known, but us in the collector community had to really dig to find out about them, almost too late.
The letter above is very interesting, tells the story as it were, and confirms that these handful of guns were scattered out over a period of time, so they are fairly exclusive and hard to find.
There's probably more to the story, lots of calls and discussions with other S&WCA members, but this is the result.
Oh yeah, with the info in the letter above, Rick updated the SCS&W V3, removing the Perry & Associates info (Pg 180) and added a good write up in the PC section, pg 346 "Model 14 PPC: Special 1995
That's all I can recall, the law enforcement guys who competed in the matches can tell more about these guns.
Starting in 1996, when the SCS&W came out, I started searching for info on this gun.
In the first edition, this was what Rick Nahas included:
* Special 1995: Production of 4" barrel for Perry & Associates for pistol teams. Accurized from the Performance Center. Limited Production
Not much info, but a start. I talked to Rick Nahas about this at the S&WCA meeting in Portlland in 1998 and he indicated that the info came from his notes and didn't have much more than that.
Then, in 2001, the second edition of the SCS&W came out with a bit more info:
* Special 1995: Production of 4" barrel for Perry and Assoc. for LA.P.D. pistol teams. Accurized from the Performance Center. Limited Production
This was a bit more (LAPD angle), but not much. I found a company called Perry & Associates who distributed guns and was somehow involved in the Police Pistol matches, but they had no idea what this model was, said they'd never heard of it. Bummer.
So, I believe I posted some info about it on the forum and a nice gentleman was gracious enough to send me a copy of the letter below.
BINGO...!
With the magic number on this letter (the SKU), I was able to get S&W Customer Service to provide some additional information about this model, and in fact the CS rep said "Oh, you called just in time as the last shipment of 25 just went to the distributor - Roper Police Supply". I was thrilled and called Roper, talked to a nice lady named Miss Brenda who confirmed that there had been about 100 over a 5 year period and that the last were on the way. She even mailed me several flyers (the one posted above).
I called my local GS (also a member of the S&WCA at the time) so he ordered 6-8 of these, some for me, some for himself and others.
When they came in they didn't last long I can tell you.
Now, there are a handful of folks here who knew about these guns for years, a small group of tightknit folks who compete/competed in the Police Revolver matches, where these were known, but us in the collector community had to really dig to find out about them, almost too late.
The letter above is very interesting, tells the story as it were, and confirms that these handful of guns were scattered out over a period of time, so they are fairly exclusive and hard to find.
There's probably more to the story, lots of calls and discussions with other S&WCA members, but this is the result.
Oh yeah, with the info in the letter above, Rick updated the SCS&W V3, removing the Perry & Associates info (Pg 180) and added a good write up in the PC section, pg 346 "Model 14 PPC: Special 1995
That's all I can recall, the law enforcement guys who competed in the matches can tell more about these guns.
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SUWEEEEEET!!!!!!
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Now....... the really intriguing piece
You'll notice in Jim Rae's letter that he says this model was one of the last square butt revolvers to be produced.... Got it, understand it, etc.
But - notice the gun in the flyer above, it's a RB and I'm still looking for one...
You'll notice in Jim Rae's letter that he says this model was one of the last square butt revolvers to be produced.... Got it, understand it, etc.
But - notice the gun in the flyer above, it's a RB and I'm still looking for one...
ridgewalker
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I am a shooter, not a collector, but given the apparent rarity of this special edition, I would have to advise the OP to not shoot it. Just my humble opinion. Seems like he could sell it for quite a bit to the right collector and have enough to get whatever he wanted to shoot with some extra.
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I've never held one, know of only 2 supposedly made. I did, at one time, have a pic of one of those on my cell-phone, but that was 3-4 cell phones back and lost it over time.
Cool gun..... The owner is among us and has never indicated any interest in getting rid of it.
Andy Griffith
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Very very nice.
Was unaware that I could get checkered grips from him...
Hmm...
Was unaware that I could get checkered grips from him...
Hmm...
bronco45
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Thank you Smith nut, what a beautiful revolver. Just when I thought my revolver building days were over.
I feel a knock off coming on. A Model 15-3 with a 4" full lug bbl and Patridge sight and recessed muzzle.
I feel a knock off coming on. A Model 15-3 with a 4" full lug bbl and Patridge sight and recessed muzzle.
SmithNut,
Thanks for the information on the grips and for more history behind the gun. I am lucky enough to know some of the people who have been shooting PPC for decades and I have seen about 6 or 7 of these guns still kicking around. However, nobody, I mean nobody would ever give me a price on one. Almost without exception, it is their favorite gun. I have a few friends who had been hunting for me too. One told me that he made an offer on one for an unheard of amount, he was turned down flat. This is my new pride and joy and will be gifted to one of my daughters and believe me, they know what it is, I think they are already tired of hearing about it and it has only been a few days. LOL
Thanks for the information on the grips and for more history behind the gun. I am lucky enough to know some of the people who have been shooting PPC for decades and I have seen about 6 or 7 of these guns still kicking around. However, nobody, I mean nobody would ever give me a price on one. Almost without exception, it is their favorite gun. I have a few friends who had been hunting for me too. One told me that he made an offer on one for an unheard of amount, he was turned down flat. This is my new pride and joy and will be gifted to one of my daughters and believe me, they know what it is, I think they are already tired of hearing about it and it has only been a few days. LOL
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