Model 1911 .45acp

I've heard the caution that 1911s shorter than 4.25" are not reliable, but it's not quite that simple.

The earliest compact 1911s in .45 ACP were not generally well regarded for reliability and that negative reputation has stuck. More recent compact 1911s are better engineered, and when made by a reputable company they can be every bit as reliable as a full sized 1911

A short officer model framed 1911 requires some engineering changes to ensure reliability. However, if properly designed, any reliability problems are more often than not due to the actions and modifications of the end user.

For example, these smaller frame, shorter slide 1911s have reduced slide over run available and that shorter over run distance means reduced over run time. If the end user decides he or she knows more than the design engineer and adds a shock buffer, he or she is going to be reducing the slide over run distance. Shock buffers do this just by nature of limiting rearward slide travel, and with the already short over run of a compact 1911, there isn't a travel that can be given up. or the over run time as changing springs changes slide velocity and rebound characteristics. Similarly, if the shooter changes the recoil spring weight, he will be changing the slide velocity and rebound characteristics, reducing the over run time. Both these changes will have a negative impact on feeding and reliability.

Kimber's Ultra Carry is often cited as an example of an "unreliable" compact 1911, but many of those same people end up swapping springs, magazines, etc before the pistol has been properly broken in, and then they blame the pistol.

I carried the Ultra Carry below for nearly 10 years and after a couple hundred rounds to break it in, it has been relentlessly reliable with a wide range of ammunition types. It surprised me from the start by being as accurate or more accurate than most 5" 1911s. The recoil is also very manageable, far better than you'd think when you lift it up and feel what it weighs, and I shoot it just as well as a LW Commander in .45 ACP.

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I've recently started carrying a Commander sized 1911 in 9mm, mostly because I like the reduced recoil and consequently faster follow up shots that 9mm offers compared to a .45 ACP as well as the 10+1 capacity.

The counter argument to a 3" or 3.5" 1911 is that a 4" or 4.25" isn't significantly harder to carry. The extra slide length just isn't a factor in carry comfort when you are using an IWB holster on your hip.

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I own a Sig Sauer EMP and have carried it for 2 years now. NO PROBLEMS and I've fired everything from Critical Defense to Tula Steel case.
 
My "compact" 1911 is a gun i put together....a officers frame with a commander slide and barrel...a homemade CCO in 45acp. Beyond that my 1911 interests are pretty much 5" pistols in 45 acp.......Mike
 
I have a full size Colt 45, a Colt Commander, and my "Officers Model" sized 45 is a ..... Shudder ..... Kimber Ultra CDP II.

I have never had even one malfunction with the Kimber, which I bought brand new, and have run lots of differing kinds of ammo through, mostly, I'll admit was factory FMJ Federal. (I got a really good deal on a couple of thousand rounds once). I have also shot my own handloads, and JHP style ammo including my favorite carry ammo, the Speer Gold Dot ammo in several different bullet weights.

I have nothing but praise for this little gun, which so many seem to love to criticize. My only complaint is that it is more difficult to disassemble for cleaning than the standard design 1911.

But as far as reliability goes, it has been completely reliable...and very accurate. It will shoot with much more conventional guns, although I assume that it is losing some velocity with the shorter barrel. My only modification was to replace the plastic mainspring housing.

Best Regards, Les
 
Simple explanation:

The shorter compact pistols have less mass (weight) in the slide, so they require stronger and heavier recoil springs to allow the pistols to cycle without battering or damaging the parts.

Also, the shorter barrels do not allow sufficient barrel time for complete combustion of the powder charges of some loads, affecting overall cartridge performance (velocity, chamber pressure, recoil impulse, etc).

These two factors can combine to significantly narrow the optimal performance range of the pistol, making each potential variable more critical to correct function. Things like powder burning rates, small variations in powder charge, ambient temperature, temperature of ammunition, resistance to recoil (proper grip, etc), and others can more easily result in less-than-optimal performance, with potentials for failures to occur.

The full-size 1911 pistol was purpose-built around a brand new cartridge design specifically intended for that pistol. That was no small accomplishment for the time period (1904-1911 and a bit beyond for subsequent modifications). The pistol and cartridge must work together during any conditions to assure proper performance. Changes in the pistol design and/or ammunition specifications can strain the envelope, maybe even tear it apart.
 
I have a Kimber ultra 3" gun and a sig carry 4" gun both have handled everything I have thrown at them


prefer carrying the Kimber 3" its lighter and just fits my hand perfect

but the sig is a very nice pistol as well but with a steel frame vs the alloy frame of the raptor

go with the one you like the feel of the best, just understand the 3" is a little harder to field strip
 
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