MODEL 25-3 GOOD SHOOTER"S?

BOB H.

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HI GUYS.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. IN THE PAST I OWNED A 25-3 MODEL 125 TH ANNIVERSARY . THE CYLINDER WAS OVER SIZED. I SOLD IT AND BOUGHT A 4 INCH MOUNTAIN GUN MODEL 25-13. AND NOW I HAVE A OTHER 125 TH ANNIVERSARY I MAY BUY. THE QUESTION IS ARE ALL THE MODEL 25-3 HAVE OVER SIZE CYLINDERS OR IS IT A HIT AND MISS??
CAN YOU GO BY THE SERIAL NUMBER RANGE?
REGARDS
BOB
 
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HI GUYS.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. IN THE PAST I OWNED A 25-3 MODEL 125 TH ANNIVERSARY . THE CYLINDER WAS OVER SIZED. I SOLD IT AND BOUGHT A 4 INCH MOUNTAIN GUN MODEL 25-13. AND NOW I HAVE A OTHER 125 TH ANNIVERSARY I MAY BUY. THE QUESTION IS ARE ALL THE MODEL 25-3 HAVE OVER SIZE CYLINDERS OR IS IT A HIT AND MISS??
CAN YOU GO BY THE SERIAL NUMBER RANGE?
REGARDS
BOB
 
I believe they typically run over sized. I dont think Smith corrected that until the mid to late 80's
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I bought 2 of them when they first came out, in December, 1977. I shot the one with the worst looking grips and kept the other one unfired (still have it). I could shoot 2-1/2 to 3 inch, 6 shot goups from a rest at 25 yards using the traditional W-W conical lead bullet load, if I took my time. The gun had a tremendous single action trigger pull. That was as good as I could shoot a handgun.

Hard cast bullets sized .452" or jacketed bullets may not shoot as well. The W-W and R-P 250-255 grain factory loads use a fairly soft lead bullet sized .454" and they have a concave base, so they often bump up and shoot better in guns with oversize chamber throats and/or big bores.
 
The basic rule of thumb is that the majority of Model 25s in .45 Colt with a pinned barrel will have oversized cylinder throats. The later non-pinned barrel guns usually have properly sized throats.
However there are exceptions.
The easiest way to tell is to simply drop a cast lead bullet through the chamber. If it hangs up, the gun is properly sized. If it falls straight through, its oversized.
 
I have never known anyone who owned a 25-3 that had one with proper diameter throats. As others have said, they tended to run large. Usually between .456" - .458". If any ever made it out throated properly, I have never heard of it.

Any S&W model 25-5 (what the 25-3 became when it was put into regular production), with the three letter/four number, serial number, or 25-7 and later guns will have the proper size throats. Some of the later N-prefix serial numbered guns will also have correct throats. To check them follow the tips below.

As the post above states, if you're not sure drop a bullet into the chamber from the rear. I would advise using a jacketed bullet, and not a cast bullet for this test, since a cast bullet will have some type of lube that can stick or hang up enough in the throats to give a false indication of their true diameter. A jacketed bullet works great for this. Use one that is .452" diameter like those from Hornady. Speer bullets tend to run .451".

The best way to check is with minus size pin gauges, which usually run .0002" under nominal size. .4518" for a .452" hole. If they were exact, you'd have to drive them in with something.

Whenever I go to look at a .45 caliber S&W, I take a .452" Hornady with me, usually the 300 grain version, since it is longer and won't tend to tip in the throat giving the impression that it is fitting snugly, when in fact it is tilted and hanging up a little bit. If the bullet drops right through you know you have an oversized issue, but if it catches a little or hangs right up, you should be able to push it on through with a pencil or pen without too much effort.

Rugers tend to run undersized, about .448"- .450", and will generally need to be reamed to reduce pressures, and give their best accuracy. That is about a $50 fix by a good gunsmith, and you only need to send the cylinder for the work.

I hope this helps.
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I recall reading an excellent article by John Taffin in either GUNS or American Handgunner on this subject within the last year or two. Sorry I am unable to provide a link, but I'll bet you can find it (or maybe the info on his sixgun forum) Good Luck!
 
HI GUYS.
THANKS TO ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR HELP. THIS GUY HAS A 25-5 FOR SALE WITH ALL THE ITEMS THAT WENT WITH IT, THE BOX, PAPERS. THE WOOD BOX.
IF I CAN GET A GOOD DEAL ON IT COULD I SEND IT BACK TO S&W TO REPLACE THE BARREL WITH A NEW CORRECT ONE? I THOUGHT I WOULD SELL THE BOX AND ALL THE REST THAT GOES WITH IT. TO HELP KEEP THE COST DOWN. I WANT TO SHOT IT NOT COLLECT IT.
THANKS
BOB
 
HI GUYS
I SAID THE BARREL REPLACE ON THE 25-5. I SHOULD HAVE SAID THE CYLINDER REPLACED BY S&W GUNSMITH. WOULD THE COST BE TO MUCH?
REGARDS
BOB
 
Hi,

IMHO, leave it alone with all the goodies intact. Anything else ruins everything forever.

Buy a nice 25-2 and never look back if you want to shoot a fun and accurate N frame in .451 or .452 caliber.

Again, IMHO, the 25-3 is a great gun to look at . . . but NOT one of Smith's finer moments.

T.
 
I posted to your question in your other thread, but will post here too. If you only want a shooter, then have the cylinder swapped. If done by the factory, it won't hurt value much, if any, since S&W offered this service for free at one time (they haven't for a long time now),
once they finally woke up and admitted they had a problem with their chamber throats.

If you had bought one when they came out, you had the option of sending it back to the factory, and having a new cylinder installed on their dime, for a number of years, but as I said, they haven't offered this for quite some time.

If you can get the gun for a good price, like $450 or under, I'd say go for it, and have the factory fit the new cylinder. That is provided of course, that you have contacted the factory to find out if they still have a cylinder they are willing to install for you.

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My 25-3 fired from a Ransom rest at 25 yards will shoot 1 hole 5 shot groups. I cast my own bullets and size them to .452 I normally don't think of any collector type of Smith as a shooter. Most are made to look nice as people don't buy them to shoot. This 25 is an exception. It not only has the most beautiful blue finish but of the 14 Smiths I own it also has the best out of the box action. Who ever built this one done himself proud. The action is smooth crisp and light. I did have to change the rear sight blade to get it to shoot to poi = poa at 25yards. It came with a .136 and I dropped it to a .106 Shoots dead on point of aim / point of impact.
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