model 36 and +P

[Dano]

I have a model 36, not sure of the vintage, but the hammer
is the firing pin. Would it be safe to fire 135gr Speer +P LE
Gold Dots thru it. I just received 250 rounds that I had
ordered thinking it was Standard .38 but when I got it
it turned out to be the +P. I have other revolvers that will
fire it just fine; m19 and 340PD, but I really bought it for
my m38 and m36. I know not to use it in the model 38
airweight but I'm not sure about one of the older model
36's, no dash.
Thanks,
Dano

 

[Hunt200]

Here you go, read SaxonPig's post, it will tell you a lot about +P ammo.

http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-revolvers-1961-1980/97525-p-ammo-model-12-a.html

 

[Glock 'em down]

That's an ALL STEEL revolver. It should be fine.

I've heard stories of extended use of +P ammo in J frames, so I wouldn't feed it a steady diet of +P. But for carry stuff...yeah, it should be fine.

If not...I'll take some of them Gold Dots off your hands.

My K frame model 13 sure likes it!

 

[Dano]

Thanks for the link Dom. Good read.
I appreciate the offer there Glockemdown, to take them off my
hands, but my model 19 and 340PD will digest them just fine
You're right, it is all steel and should be fine. My concern was
the age of the gun but there again, I'd say you're right and
it'd handle them just fine. Ayoob says he ruined a good model
38 Airweight shooting +P's but concedes that if that's all you
have, he would use them in a m38 just for self defense.
Appreciate it guys,
Dano

 

[Glock 'em down]

Thanks for the link Dom. Good read.
I appreciate the offer there Glockemdown, to take them off my
hands, but my model 19 and 340PD will digest them just fine
You're right, it is all steel and should be fine. My concern was
the age of the gun but there again, I'd say you're right and
it'd handle them just fine. Ayoob says he ruined a good model
38 Airweight shooting +P's but concedes that if that's all you
have, he would use them in a m38 just for self defense.
Appreciate it guys,
Dano

Yeah, in a pinch they'll be ok.

I use the +P Gold Dots in my 3 inch model 13-3 but my model 38 Bodyguard gets fed Hornady 125gr XTP/JHPs in a NON +P load.

 

[sigp220.45]

I used to qualify regularly with a Model 36 using +P+ Hydra-Shoks. Its as tight as it ever was.

 

[BreakerDan]

Fill it full of +P- you will be just fine. I carry and shoot my
1960s M36 with +p, it is snappy on recoil but has not hurt the
gun in any way. S&Ws J frames are tuff little guns.

 

[BreakerDan]

Yeah, in a pinch they'll be ok.

I use the +P Gold Dots in my 3 inch model 13-3 but my model 38 Bodyguard gets fed Hornady 125gr XTP/JHPs in a NON +P load.

Just for your information, I tried the 125 standard pressure XTP from a
4" model 15 in water. No expansion whatsoever and it was not all the
powerful. I thought they would be great for an old M&P, I was wrong.
I fired the hole box into a dirt pile shooting at cans. I found many of the little XTPs sitting on top of the ground!

 

[BreakerDan]

I used to qualify regularly with a Model 36 using +P+ Hydra-Shoks. Its as tight as it ever was.

I have been considering switching from the FBI load to this in my 36.
Did you like the 147+P+ in a snub nose or is that what you were required to use?
Any thoughts/experience would be appreciated. The gun is used for LE bug.

 

[Glock 'em down]

Just for your information, I tried the 125 standard pressure XTP from a
4" model 15 in water. No expansion whatsoever and it was not all the
powerful. I thought they would be great for an old M&P, I was wrong.
I fired the hole box into a dirt pile shooting at cans. I found many of the little XTPs sitting on top of the ground!

Really?

Wow! I didn't wanna hear that!

I don't guess just a few Gold Dot +P's would hurt my model 38 Bodyguard too bad...would it?

Thanks for the info Dan. I reckon I'll go pop off the XTPs in my Bodyguard and my speed strip as well as the rest of this box tomorrow and get rid of 'em.

 

[Tam 3]

I read a memo from the U.S.Park Service, or U.S. Forestry Service, (don't remember which) that revealed that their officers qualified with +p .38 on a regular basis. Their revolvers were S&W 36 and 37s. No difficulty with weapon wear was noted. No difference between the two models was mentioned. Memo was from the late 70's or early 80's. Fwiw.

Regards,

Tam 3

 

[BreakerDan]

Really?

Wow! I didn't wanna hear that!

I don't guess just a few Gold Dot +P's would hurt my model 38 Bodyguard too bad...would it?

Thanks for the info Dan. I reckon I'll go pop off the XTPs in my Bodyguard and my speed strip as well as the rest of this box tomorrow and get rid of 'em.

Glock em'

I just knew when I found that first box of standard pressure XTP they would be great. I was so disappointed with them that I have shied away from all other XTP loads. I tried them in a water barrel from a 4" and was just amazed they did nothing. I hear the standard pressure nyclads are expanding, but when I read the ballistics from federal on them, I found out they were as slow as 158LRN!!!!! They are not what the old nyclads were. Just seems like it is hit or miss. The Speer Gold Dot short barrel should be great. I know they expand cause I have shot them into water.
They open up very nicely. I load my 36 with FBI or +P+ 147s. No problems.

 

[Glock 'em down]

Glock em'

I just knew when I found that first box of standard pressure XTP they would be great. I was so disappointed with them that I have shied away from all other XTP loads. I tried them in a water barrel from a 4" and was just amazed they did nothing. I hear the standard pressure nyclads are expanding, but when I read the ballistics from federal on them, I found out they were as slow as 158LRN!!!!! They are not what the old nyclads were. Just seems like it is hit or miss. The Speer Gold Dot short barrel should be great. I know they expand cause I have shot them into water.
They open up very nicely. I load my 36 with FBI or +P+ 147s. No problems.

Yes...this news is disappointing. Like you, I was as happy as a chimp on roller skates when I found these standard pressure XTPs. Now, I'm kinda pissed about it. I hate to just "shoot up" a $20 box of ammo that's SUPPOSSED TO BE good carry stuff.

Oh well...I reckon I'll go back to my local toy store and pick up those other two boxes of Speer 135gr +P Short Barrel Gold Dots before somebody else does. I'm just gonna fire about a cylinder's worth thru my little Bodyguard, just to see if they're hittin' where they are suppossed to. If they are, I'll use them as my carry load.

If not...I reckon it's back to the ol' drawing board.

As disappointing as it is, I truly thank you for the VALUABLE info Dan.

 

[BreakerDan]

Yes...this news is disappointing. Like you, I was as happy as a chimp on roller skates when I found these standard pressure XTPs. Now, I'm kinda pissed about it. I hate to just "shoot up" a $20 box of ammo that's SUPPOSSED TO BE good carry stuff.

Oh well...I reckon I'll go back to my local toy store and pick up those other two boxes of Speer 135gr +P Short Barrel Gold Dots before somebody else does. I'm just gonna fire about a cylinder's worth thru my little Bodyguard, just to see if they're hittin' where they are suppossed to. If they are, I'll use them as my carry load.

If not...I reckon it's back to the ol' drawing board.

As disappointing as it is, I truly thank you for the VALUABLE info Dan.

You are very welcome.

 

[yukonb]

Md 36

I know a lot of knowledgable people here say its ok. Not disputing that but I have a Md 36 (1964 vintage). I contacted S&W and they reccommend only regular .38 Spl and not +P ammo. May be its just a insurance thing so they don't get sued. I don't know, just my 2 cents.

 

[safearm]

Most, including me, will say that occassional use of +P is acceptable in a Model 36. When I was a patrolman, my off-duty gun was a Model 36. I carried the same ammo as my duty gun: W-W 158 grain LSWCHP+P. I qualified with 158 grain LSW in both guns, and carried the duty ammo in both. During qualifications, the rounds in the gun were fired, so every quarter, at least 5 +P rounds went through my Model 36. It never fired loose or gave me any problems. I wouldn't try to feed a Model 36 a steady diet of +P rounds, but once in a while is fine.

 

[bmcgilvray]

Not recommending it for anyone else but this "pre-Model 36" Chief's Special from early 1952 has probably digested a couple of boxes of +P 158 grain factory loads since the mid-1980s when I acquired it and APPEARS to be none the worse for wear. I do carry it on occasion and it is so loaded when toted.

I gave it a "check run" with a couple of cylinders-full of +P 158s a while back. First time in some years. It seems to like +P loads better than I like shooting it with them.

Due to the forcing cone design and the positioning of the locking notches, I've heard it said that the J-Frame .38 Special is actually stronger than the K-Frame .38 Special. I don't have an opinion on the relative strength of the two frame sizes.

 

[Glock 'em down]

Not recommending it for anyone else but this "pre-Model 36" Chief's Special from early 1952 has probably digested a couple of boxes of +P 158 grain factory loads since the mid-1980s when I acquired it and APPEARS to be none the worse for wear. I do carry it on occasion and it is so loaded when toted.

I gave it a "check run" with a couple of cylinders-full of +P 158s a while back. First time in some years. It seems to like +P loads better than I like shooting it with them.

Due to the forcing cone design and the positioning of the locking notches, I've heard it said that the J-Frame .38 Special is actually stronger than the K-Frame .38 Special. I don't have an opinion on the relative strength of the two frame sizes.

That is one gorgeous iron!

 

[armybass]

Would a M36-1 3" HB be any more able to handle +P or is it the frame?

 

[Treeman]

armybass, The criteria for judging has always been the frame size and/or material. In theory the longer barrel WILL reduce battering due to greater weight ameliorating recoil to a small extent. Mostly it is a moot point since all of the steel framed Smiths have held up well to +P loads.....even back when they were stouter-the current +P really IS close to standard pressure of a generation ago as noted in another post.