My brand new 686 plus. Only the new Marlins offer the same level of disappointment.

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Sorry for the long winded response. I won't be offended if you skip straight to the photos.

Around the first of last month I picked up a new 686 Plus 4" that I had ordered online. It had several blemishes and a lousy trigger, so I shipped it off to S&W that same day. A few weeks later I got it back, it had been refinished, and the trigger reworked to an almost acceptable level. I was content until I looked closely at the barrel and saw a crown that my Mosin Nagant puts to shame. I sent an email to S&W about my disappointment with their recent quality (I've had issues with other revolvers), included the head of manufacturing, then shipped it back to them.

A few weeks went by before I finally heard back. I was informed that Mark Smith, the Sr. VP of Manufacturing I previously emailed, had personally inspected the gun. I was impressed. However, I then was told that the gun was within spec, how they now make barrels, and they will not re-crown, or replace anything. All of my attempts for a resolution from that point on were shot down. I even called and spoke to another rep that evening who seemed willing to help, but when I called her the next day she said she had been instructed not to discuss the gun with me, all communication would be through my assigned rep, it is how they now make barrels, and that they are sending the gun back.

I place no blame on the exceptional customer service staff at S&W. I do not expect them to put their jobs at risk by trying to undermine a member of their leadership to help me. I do, however, find this outcome completely unacceptable, and after doing some digging online have discovered that this is indeed the new norm. I don't care about my gun as much as I care about the state of the company. I cannot fathom how someone can have so much disregard and so little care for the quality of their work. I do not for a second believe that they've developed a way to make barrels where crowns don't matter. I have not shot the gun yet, as it's been in S&W's possession since I bought it. Whether or not I go out and shoot the gun and can tell a difference is beside the point. My shooting is not up to par with determining the accuracy of a gun.

I'm aware of the Brownells re-crowning tool, but I wanted to share my experience.

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The electro-chemical rifling process they have used for 23 years produces those radiused grooves that look so odd where they intersect the crown bevel. The crown bevel looks a bit crooked.
How does it shoot?
 
The electro-chemical rifling process they have used for 23 years produces those radiused grooves that look so odd where they intersect the crown bevel. The crown bevel looks a bit crooked.
How does it shoot?
Thanks for the reply buddy. It's good to see I'm not the only one wasting their Friday night on a gun forum. :D

It's definitely not evenly beveled, and not due to the rifling grooves. I try to not point guns at my face but checked my other S&W's before I sent this one out the second time. All of them are perfect. It's hard to tell from photos but looking closely at the ~10 o'clock and ~3 o'clock on the 2nd and 3rd photos you can see it. I haven't shot it yet, and haven't been shooting in over a year, so the likelihood of me being able to determine its accuracy is slim. I got the shipping notification today and should have it back early next week. Regardless of how accurate it is, it's sure as hell not as accurate as it would be with an even crown.
 
So I immediately looked at mine, a new 686-8 with a three inch barrel. The crown on mine is no where near as deep, and is perfectly symmetrical in all regards.

This is one of those "peace of mind" issues. Sometimes we are able to take such an imperfection and ignore it, and other times it catches in the craw. If it bothers the owner, it is important. A new revolver should be very close to perfect. S&W has been making revolvers for over 100 years, and knows how to do it -- so any gun that falls short represents a let-down in their application of the art and science they should be masters of. Since S&W won't fix it, the best bet might be re-crowning by a good gunsmith.
 
How does it shoot? Seriously. Looks off but Im wonder what it does on paper?
 
So I immediately looked at mine, a new 686-8 with a three inch barrel. The crown on mine is no where near as deep, and is perfectly symmetrical in all regards.
I called my husband and asked him to look at this post and compare the pictures to my 686-6 Plus's. He said exactly what you wrote, very shallow and even. "nowhere near as deep" were his exact words too.
 
As did Rover, I looked at my 686-6. With my old eyes, the crown looks even and not as deep as yours. I find it hard to believe S&W finds your barrel to be acceptable. :(

That crown has to affect the accuracy. Rather than approach S&W with what they feel is an esthetic issue, you might try the accuracy angle.
 
This is not your father's S&W. Many of you are attuned to the craftsmanship of yore. I doubt that I would have known the difference. Maybe the people working at S&W now have never seen the craftsmanship of yore either. Good luck with your 686!
 
Looks like the crown was bored off center.
If that is in spec I will be hesitating to buy a new S&W.
Luckily that is a one piece barrel and could be fixed rather easily by a GOOD gunsmith.
If it shoots to your satisfaction, then as mentioned above you may have a moral dilemma.

I have a 444S with a big ding right inside the muzzle. It is very obvious.
This kind of ding, which may have been from a previous owner yanking a metal jag sideways while cleaning, is supposed to destroy accuracy.
The gun shoots better than I do. One hole groups from a sled.
I was going to have an inch cut off and everything redone by a known levergun expert like McPherson.
Then I realized it was a philosophical problem not a ballistic one and let it go.
 

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I have not bought a new Smith since the mid 90s. and every time I get the urge to I simply remind myself of stories like these......
 
Shoot it then decide on the crown.
FWIW I have new Marlin bought even after reading all the horror internet stories. It is a 1895 GBL 45/70. Works flawlessly and shoots great. The checkering leaves a little to be desired but I did not expect great checkering. The days of great attention to detail in production guns at affordable prices are over. Another casualty of todays situation.
 
The angles at which you photographed the barrel leave it hard to judge whether the crown is off or whether we are seeing differences in where the rifling is. I have seen barrels that appear this way but are properly cut and only appear to be off due to the depth of the relief which causes the illusion of the crown being off cut.

The factory, a VP no less, says it's fine. Several members suggest shooting it to determine if it has any detrimental effect or not, yet you resist their suggestions. Because in your mind, you feel the crown if off, I suggest you have a friend shoot it who is a good shot. Do not tell them of your fear of it being defective as that can influence them mentally. I'm willing to bet the gun shoots very well and the crown has absolutely no effect on it's accuracy.

Between this thread on the one you made on the Model 629 I see a pattern. To address your issues, I suggest you never order a gun over the internet, and you never buy locally until you have thoroughly examined the gun first before paying.
 
Shoot it then decide on the crown.
FWIW I have new Marlin bought even after reading all the horror internet stories. It is a 1895 GBL 45/70. Works flawlessly and shoots great. The checkering leaves a little to be desired but I did not expect great checkering. The days of great attention to detail in production guns at affordable prices are over. Another casualty of todays situation.

Same experience with a Marlin 1894. As far great attention to detail in production guns at affordable prices - "Things aren't what they used to be - but then they never were".
 
My guns are 1952 1954 1980 2012 2013 2015 and my 1998 guns were sold years ago.

Not a one is perfect (maybe the 442). They're all pretty ok. The newer ones while less elegant and flashy have less small blemishes, uneven surfaces, and machining marks.

Anyway, you can't please everyone.

People need to closely inspect their guns before taking them home.
 
The crown is obviously improper. I am amazed that some can't see that. The 25-5 and 25-2 models with the oversized chambers were within spec, but I have never heard anyone say that is the model they want because it would shoot better than the properly chambered gun. With all due respect, I would prefer a gunsmith to inspect my gun, not an executive. All of this is why you take a chance when you buy on line. I have done so, but I much prefer to inspect a gun before purchase. Dean
 
I recently purchased a two new 686 Plus revolvers. One is 2.5", the other is 4". Both crowns look flawless, nothing like yours.

Did you purchase it from a reputable source? You're certain it's new?
 
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