My New J-Frame

Tilheyra

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I love my 67-5 K-Frame so much that I bought another Smith & Wesson revolver! I decided that I wanted a revolver that is easier to carry concealed, and is the same caliber, so I decided a J-Frame was in order. It will be my carry weapon once I get my concealed carry permit.

I have included some photos of my new 642-1. Given the debate over the internal lock I elected to purchase a model without the lock, just in case.

I am going to the range on Saturday, so I will be taking both revolvers to give myself the opportunity to directly compare the two!
 

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I like the Model 67-5!

Mine shipped on November 17, 2016. :)

Model 67-5

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The start to a beautiful relationship. Let us know how she shoots. Not sure if you've shot a snubby before, but they are more difficult to shoot. However, I was encouraged when I first shot my 442 that I put up what felt like good enough groups at 7 yards for it to be a viable self defense gun. I just posted this pic in another thread, so I already have it in my right click. But this was the very first time I shot my 442.

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To me you've got the perfect start of a revolver family. The 642 is an excellent carry gun and the 67 makes a really good home defense and hunting gun. Cover all the bases well. I am sort of in the same boat, but I do admit to wanting a steel J frame. And a smaller K frame for home defense. I have a model 19 6" and I'd prefer a MOdel 10 or 64 with a tapered 4" or shorter barrel. For home defense. But having said that, the 442 is an easier gun to carry in many circumstances. I do carry in the pocket at church sometimes. But typically it's AIWB and I'd almost rather have a steel J frame and be able to shoot plus p's better.
 
D, that is a beauty! The grips are a really nice touch!

My liking of my 67-5 is another reason why I purchased the J-Frame. Given that I am on a grad student budget (but skilled with saving money!), I would not put myself in a situation where my 67-5 could end up in an evidence locker. While I do not want my J-Frame to find its way into an evidence locker either, the lower cost means I wouldn't take as big a hit to my finances in getting a replacement.
 
ABPOS, I have not fired a snubbie before, and am interested in finding out how different it feels when compared to my other revolver.

I figure the best way to start is with standard .38 Special rounds, so I will be firing 130 grain FMJ and 158 grain LRN through it first. I then have two types of +P rounds that I want to try. The first +P is Winchester 125 grain SJHP, and the second is Federal 158 grain LSWCHP. I'll certainly report back as to my observations!
 
ABPOS, I have not fired a snubbie before, and am interested in finding out how different it feels when compared to my other revolver.

I figure the best way to start is with standard .38 Special rounds, so I will be firing 130 grain FMJ and 158 grain LRN through it first. I then have two types of +P rounds that I want to try. The first +P is Winchester 125 grain SJHP, and the second is Federal 158 grain LSWCHP. I'll certainly report back as to my observations!

357 magnum rounds are quite snappy .. much more then even the 40 S&W I am use to carrying and shooting ..

Both the 38 and 38+P are much easier to handle for most people .. Anyone with weak wrists or wrist problems could have serious problems shooting 357 Magnum rounds accurately !!


2 people I know who started to shoot the 357 round developed a flinch and one ended up selling there Ruger pistol because of it ..
 
A number of years ago, I purchased a 642, shot it a few times and replaced the dinky boot grips with a set of Hogue OverMolded rubber grips. Shooting standard .38 Spl loads with the boot grips was doable, but running +P through it was far less than comfortable. Not enough grip and no place for my pinky. The Hogues solved both of those problems. And they softened the recoil of the +P loads enough to make shooting them at least tolerable.
 

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Congrats! I think you'll find the 642 much easier to carry, especially concealed!
 
I love my 67-5 K-Frame so much that I bought another Smith & Wesson revolver! I decided that I wanted a revolver that is easier to carry concealed, and is the same caliber, so I decided a J-Frame was in order. It will be my carry weapon once I get my concealed carry permit.

I have included some photos of my new 642-1. Given the debate over the internal lock I elected to purchase a model without the lock, just in case.

I am going to the range on Saturday, so I will be taking both revolvers to give myself the opportunity to directly compare the two!

Nice pair. One for the pocket and one for the waist. Couple of speed strips with 38s will reload both guns.
 
When you get out of school you need to get you a 686. That will give you a J, K, and L frame. The J frame for pocket carry. The K frame for Home defense. The L frame for hunting, woods carry, and general 357 fun. Enjoy your new gun!
 
I went to the range yesterday and fired about 40 rounds through my new 642-1. I also took my 67-5, for comparison purposes, and fired about 60 rounds through it. This is the first time I had fired a J-Frame, so it was certainly a new experience for me. I used a few different types of ammunition as well. The ammunition consisted of Remington 130 grain FMJ and Remington 158 grain LRN as the standard pressure rounds, while I used Winchester 125 grain JHP and Federal 158 grain LSWCHP for the +P rounds. While I didn't fire even numbers of each type through my guns, I did fire each type of round through each gun at some point during my range time. My completely subjective and unscientific observations are as follows:

In terms of recoil, the recoil with the 642 was certainly more potent than the 67. I expected the recoil to possibly be akin to a .45 semi-auto pistol, but felt that the recoil of the 642 was less than what I thought it would be. The recoil did make it a challenge to adjust and reacquire my sights on the target, but I am not concerned about that as I should improve with practice and training. I also felt very little difference in recoil between the standard pressure and +P rounds. The only difference I could discern was a slight stinging sensation against the palm of my shooting hand (as if my palm had been slapped) upon firing a +P round.

As many have noted with the fixed sights, I did notice it took a little more focus to line up the sights on my 642. I am used to the orange tip of the front sight on my 67, so I think it will help me to take some paint to the front sight of my 642. I expected I may need to do this when I purchased the 642, so I find this to be no trouble at all. The fixed sights are certainly different than the adjustable sights of my 67, but I know that adjustable sights on the 642 would defeat the purpose of the snag-free design of the 642 (which attracted me to the 642 in comparison to other J-Frames).

The smaller design of the J-Frame certainly has a different feel from the K-Frame. I realized I do not need to extend my trigger finger as far when using the 642 as I do when using my 67. I did make this realization before going to the range, but actually shooting the revolvers together made this difference quite apparent. Due to the shorter distances with the 642, I found my trigger finger would impact the thumb of the same hand when pulling the trigger completely to the rear. I also noticed the heat from the gasses escaping between the cylinder and forcing cone more when using the 642 than the 67, and I figured this was due to the smaller frame size. Next time I shoot my 642 I plan to focus more on my grip and trigger pull to figure out what feels best for me, and to prevent my fingers from getting in the way of each other.

Overall, I am very happy with my purchase of my 642! I think it works well, is simple in its operation, and is a joy to shoot despite the recoil. The 642 is a fun gun to shoot at the range! I think the issues that I presented are pretty minor, and will be resolved with training, discipline, and practice, so I have no qualms about my 642 being my carry weapon when I get my carry permit.
 
My primary J-frame is a Model 60-4 with a set of aftermarket smooth combat grips in ebony. I find it to me the most comfortable, naturally pointing revolver I have ever owned including the full custom PPC gun I campaigned many years ago... it just feels right. All of this just goes to say that you may find your little J taking over the place in your heart now occupied by your Model 67-5! ;)

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Tilheyra, I have found 'Neon Pop' fingernail polish by Salon Perfect (availible at Walmart) to be perfect for coloring the front sight on my handguns. There are several shades of orange that are neon bright.
 
Last year I purchased two 642s without the locks. The actions were of course very heavy. I took them to my local gunsmith and had him clean up the actions. The first thing he did was remove a substantial piece of Jolly Rancher wrapper from inside the action! Once that was removed he installed Wolff springs and did a small amount of stoning. I wasn't looking for "match grade" triggers on a defensive revolver, just a smoother action. They both came out awesome. I still have to factory grips on them, but I am considering the VZ grips for the J frames.
 

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Yeah, the trigger finger touching the thumb is something I deal with too. Obviously if you go with bigger stocks, it will change that. I still am not sure as what stocks I like the best. I'd like to try more. But for now I have the factory rubber boot grips. With 4 big rubber bands wrapped around the grip. This gives me just enough clearance that I don't typically touch my thumb with my trigger finger. Of course you have to learn to wrap it down, but without some extra beef, it sometimes happens when I'm drawing fast and not getting a perfect perfect grip on the gun without those rubber bands on there.

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You choices are good ones. The Model 67-5 is likely the best 6 shot 38 special gun on the market to day.

I would prefer a white outline one the rear site but it is an amazing gun.

I suspect trigger time on both of these will make you an excellent student of the handgun. Your semi-auto shooting someday will be much better because of it.
 
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