Need help identifying what I have
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This gun is a Merwin & Hulbert Large Frame double action. It was produced during the 1880's in caliber 44-40, 44 M&H and 44 Russian.
Merwin & Hulberts were made by Hopkins & Allen and are renowned for their built quality.
Merwin & Hulberts were made by Hopkins & Allen and are renowned for their built quality.
It is a 4th model (last model) Frontier Army
with a 51/2" ribbed barrel which makes it look like an S&W even more than the earlier ones.
Pretty uncommon
Cool
I have seen several with Walnut grips so they may be original
with a 51/2" ribbed barrel which makes it look like an S&W even more than the earlier ones.
Pretty uncommon
Cool
I have seen several with Walnut grips so they may be original
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bcowern
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To me the grips look to be the standard Merwin Hulbert hard rubber grips that are well worn.
Uncommon?
Not sure I’d label this 4th model uncommon. Very scarce is what I’d call them. Those few that I’ve seen are normally found in the condition of the OP’s gun. Very desirable among Merwin collectors.
*** Also, you have to be very careful with these. There are Foreign copies out there that are very often mistaken as authentic Merwin & Hulberts.
What does the barrel address say. Word for word?
Also, it’s a 44-40 Winchester caliber. You can see the 73 on the frame. See photo.
The late hammer is typical of post 1884 production. So this is a late one and low production.
I’m kinda suspicious about it though. That 73 stamp looks odd.
Murph
Not sure I’d label this 4th model uncommon. Very scarce is what I’d call them. Those few that I’ve seen are normally found in the condition of the OP’s gun. Very desirable among Merwin collectors.
*** Also, you have to be very careful with these. There are Foreign copies out there that are very often mistaken as authentic Merwin & Hulberts.
What does the barrel address say. Word for word?
Also, it’s a 44-40 Winchester caliber. You can see the 73 on the frame. See photo.
The late hammer is typical of post 1884 production. So this is a late one and low production.
I’m kinda suspicious about it though. That 73 stamp looks odd.
Murph
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After I blew up the pic more I see that they are HR grips
Heavily worn or polished.
This gun does not look like a copy
Copy?
How about this one? Is this a copy?
The purpose of these photos to be “ Perfectly Clear”!!! Is for the benefit of the OP. To clearly show how difficult it actually is to determine authentic from copy. It ain’t easy!
It’s a copy!!
Murph
How about this one? Is this a copy?
The purpose of these photos to be “ Perfectly Clear”!!! Is for the benefit of the OP. To clearly show how difficult it actually is to determine authentic from copy. It ain’t easy!
It’s a copy!!
Murph
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mmaher94087
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Op's is real. Murph's two pictured guns are copies. Good copies but not quite good enough.
More photos needed
In my opinion we need more photos or simply the OP needs to post what exactly the barrel address states as stamped.
Photo 1&2 is a very late model 4 that sold for $12,000! At RIA. They are generally worth a lot if authentic. Notice the late folding hammer and frame pin below the 1873 stamp?
Other photos are earlier variations. Including a pocket Army.
Notice also that the OP’s example has the 1884 type hammer with the late frame pin under the 1873 stamp. Interesting.
Once the patented folding hammer was introduced it was typically used after that time. I believe 1885 until the end of production soon thereafter.
Murph
In my opinion we need more photos or simply the OP needs to post what exactly the barrel address states as stamped.
Photo 1&2 is a very late model 4 that sold for $12,000! At RIA. They are generally worth a lot if authentic. Notice the late folding hammer and frame pin below the 1873 stamp?
Other photos are earlier variations. Including a pocket Army.
Notice also that the OP’s example has the 1884 type hammer with the late frame pin under the 1873 stamp. Interesting.
Once the patented folding hammer was introduced it was typically used after that time. I believe 1885 until the end of production soon thereafter.
Murph
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about 9K IIRC
deadin
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Let's not forget the little ones. (Maybe they will grow up as a .44)
Unfortunately it has a problem with the single action sear.
I can't tell if it is the hammer notch or the sear itself.
I picked another parts gun (minus the barrel) and it has the same problem. (I wonder if this was a weakness in this model?)
I'm not adept at filing new sears, so it is strictly a display piece.
Unfortunately it has a problem with the single action sear.
I can't tell if it is the hammer notch or the sear itself.
I picked another parts gun (minus the barrel) and it has the same problem. (I wonder if this was a weakness in this model?)
I'm not adept at filing new sears, so it is strictly a display piece.
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