Correct. Both cartridges share the same head diameter so the slide is the same. For the opposite reason, a barrel swap is not enough to fire .40 S&W and .357 SIG from a 9x19 handgun.
Originally posted by XTrooper:
Hi, George. Yes, I carried a P7M8 from 1982 until my retirement in 1991. It's a great pistol.
A little known fact is that the NJSP had a hand in the creation of the P7M8. NJ State Trooper Phil Lamonaco was murdered in Dec. of 1981 followed shortly thereafter by the wounding of Trooper Jake Jacobs the following April. Both incidents shared the same circumstances in that the Troopers emptied their six-shot revolvers against perps armed with high-capacity, semi-auto pistols and neither got the opportunity to reload.
After these two events, the NJSP made the then radical decision to select a semi-auto pistol as their issued weapon and invited manufacturers to make submissions. H&K submitted the P7. After initial tests, the NJSP requested three changes to the P7 before it would be given further consideration. The three requested revisions were as follows:
1. Extend the trigger guard so that the weapon could be easily fired with a gloved hand.
2. Do something about the heat transfer to the trigger. The trigger of the P7 got uncomfortably hot in rapid and/or extended firing. To address this issue, H&K added a heat shield along the top of the trigger guard and plastic-coated the trigger.
3. Change the magazine release from the European heel type to an ambidextrous thumb-activated one.
H&K incorporated these changes, called it the P7M8, and resubmitted it to the NJSP. The P7M8 won the selection process and was adopted as our issued service weapon in 1982.
Wyatt: Thanks for the link.
Originally posted by G-ManBart:
Originally posted by XTrooper:
Hi, George. Yes, I carried a P7M8 from 1982 until my retirement in 1991. It's a great pistol.
A little known fact is that the NJSP had a hand in the creation of the P7M8. NJ State Trooper Phil Lamonaco was murdered in Dec. of 1981 followed shortly thereafter by the wounding of Trooper Jake Jacobs the following April. Both incidents shared the same circumstances in that the Troopers emptied their six-shot revolvers against perps armed with high-capacity, semi-auto pistols and neither got the opportunity to reload.
After these two events, the NJSP made the then radical decision to select a semi-auto pistol as their issued weapon and invited manufacturers to make submissions. H&K submitted the P7. After initial tests, the NJSP requested three changes to the P7 before it would be given further consideration. The three requested revisions were as follows:
1. Extend the trigger guard so that the weapon could be easily fired with a gloved hand.
2. Do something about the heat transfer to the trigger. The trigger of the P7 got uncomfortably hot in rapid and/or extended firing. To address this issue, H&K added a heat shield along the top of the trigger guard and plastic-coated the trigger.
3. Change the magazine release from the European heel type to an ambidextrous thumb-activated one.
H&K incorporated these changes, called it the P7M8, and resubmitted it to the NJSP. The P7M8 won the selection process and was adopted as our issued service weapon in 1982.
Wyatt: Thanks for the link.
Yep, I remember when the NJSP made the switch from Ruger .357s...weren't they Speed Six's? A very good friend of the family was a NJSP detective and remember the week he brought back his new H&K. I also remember that during the first week or two I think it was a sergeant pointed his new P7M8 out the window at the fender of a new squad car and put a nice little 9mm hole in the fender when he pulled the trigger!
Our friend took the option to buy a personal P7M8 and turned it into some serious cash after he retired. I shot one of his two a few times and remember thinking they were pretty darned cool. Man, that was a long time ago! R,
Originally posted by XTrooper:
Originally posted by G-ManBart:
Originally posted by XTrooper:
Hi, George. Yes, I carried a P7M8 from 1982 until my retirement in 1991. It's a great pistol.
A little known fact is that the NJSP had a hand in the creation of the P7M8. NJ State Trooper Phil Lamonaco was murdered in Dec. of 1981 followed shortly thereafter by the wounding of Trooper Jake Jacobs the following April. Both incidents shared the same circumstances in that the Troopers emptied their six-shot revolvers against perps armed with high-capacity, semi-auto pistols and neither got the opportunity to reload.
After these two events, the NJSP made the then radical decision to select a semi-auto pistol as their issued weapon and invited manufacturers to make submissions. H&K submitted the P7. After initial tests, the NJSP requested three changes to the P7 before it would be given further consideration. The three requested revisions were as follows:
1. Extend the trigger guard so that the weapon could be easily fired with a gloved hand.
2. Do something about the heat transfer to the trigger. The trigger of the P7 got uncomfortably hot in rapid and/or extended firing. To address this issue, H&K added a heat shield along the top of the trigger guard and plastic-coated the trigger.
3. Change the magazine release from the European heel type to an ambidextrous thumb-activated one.
H&K incorporated these changes, called it the P7M8, and resubmitted it to the NJSP. The P7M8 won the selection process and was adopted as our issued service weapon in 1982.
Wyatt: Thanks for the link.
Yep, I remember when the NJSP made the switch from Ruger .357s...weren't they Speed Six's? A very good friend of the family was a NJSP detective and remember the week he brought back his new H&K. I also remember that during the first week or two I think it was a sergeant pointed his new P7M8 out the window at the fender of a new squad car and put a nice little 9mm hole in the fender when he pulled the trigger!
Our friend took the option to buy a personal P7M8 and turned it into some serious cash after he retired. I shot one of his two a few times and remember thinking they were pretty darned cool. Man, that was a long time ago! R,
From 1921 to 1980, Jersey Troopers carried 6" wheelguns, first Colt Official Police revolvers and later Smith & Wesson Model 10s. Then we went to stainless 4" Ruger Security Sixes (most of us thought they sucked and were a giant step backwards from our previous Colts and Smiths). We had the Rugers for less than two years when we switched to the P7M8. Around 2001, 10 years after my retirement, the NJSP went to the Sig 228.
BTW, I too purchased a new P7M8 at the state contract price of $350 when we transitioned in 1982. I made a couple of bucks when I sold it a few years ago.
P.S.- Though the Rugers were .357s, we were still required to have them loaded with the issued .38 Special Speer 110 gr. +Ps.
Originally posted by XTrooper:
Hi, George. Yes, I carried a P7M8 from 1982 until my retirement in 1991. It's a great pistol.
A little known fact is that the NJSP had a hand in the creation of the P7M8. NJ State Trooper Phil Lamonaco was murdered in Dec. of 1981 followed shortly thereafter by the wounding of Trooper Jake Jacobs the following April. Both incidents shared the same circumstances in that the Troopers emptied their six-shot revolvers against perps armed with high-capacity, semi-auto pistols and neither got the opportunity to reload.
After these two events, the NJSP made the then radical decision to select a semi-auto pistol as their issued weapon and invited manufacturers to make submissions. H&K submitted the P7. After initial tests, the NJSP requested three changes to the P7 before it would be given further consideration. The three requested revisions were as follows:
1. Extend the trigger guard so that the weapon could be easily fired with a gloved hand.
2. Do something about the heat transfer to the trigger. The trigger of the P7 got uncomfortably hot in rapid and/or extended firing. To address this issue, H&K added a heat shield along the top of the trigger guard and plastic-coated the trigger.
3. Change the magazine release from the European heel type to an ambidextrous thumb-activated one.
H&K incorporated these changes, called it the P7M8, and resubmitted it to the NJSP. The P7M8 won the selection process and was adopted as our issued service weapon in 1982.
Wyatt: Thanks for the link.
Originally posted by shawn mccarver:
Originally posted by XTrooper:
Hi, George. Yes, I carried a P7M8 from 1982 until my retirement in 1991. It's a great pistol.
A little known fact is that the NJSP had a hand in the creation of the P7M8. NJ State Trooper Phil Lamonaco was murdered in Dec. of 1981 followed shortly thereafter by the wounding of Trooper Jake Jacobs the following April. Both incidents shared the same circumstances in that the Troopers emptied their six-shot revolvers against perps armed with high-capacity, semi-auto pistols and neither got the opportunity to reload.
After these two events, the NJSP made the then radical decision to select a semi-auto pistol as their issued weapon and invited manufacturers to make submissions. H&K submitted the P7. After initial tests, the NJSP requested three changes to the P7 before it would be given further consideration. The three requested revisions were as follows:
1. Extend the trigger guard so that the weapon could be easily fired with a gloved hand.
2. Do something about the heat transfer to the trigger. The trigger of the P7 got uncomfortably hot in rapid and/or extended firing. To address this issue, H&K added a heat shield along the top of the trigger guard and plastic-coated the trigger.
3. Change the magazine release from the European heel type to an ambidextrous thumb-activated one.
H&K incorporated these changes, called it the P7M8, and resubmitted it to the NJSP. The P7M8 won the selection process and was adopted as our issued service weapon in 1982.
Wyatt: Thanks for the link.
Didn't the Superintendent of the NJSP take over as the head honcho at HK's US operation after the NJSP adopted the P7M8?
Also, I read that NJSP had issues with seatbelts activating the ambi mag releases leaving the officers' magazines on the car seat when they got out of the car on a regular basis.
Have you heard anything about those issues?
Thank you.
Originally posted by XTrooper:
It's in! I'll be taking it out to the range tomorrow morning.
Originally posted by Wyatt Earp:
I have to say, the NJSP has one of the baddest police uniforms on the planet.
